Re: [CCAMP] Microwave topology

Jonas Ahlberg <jonas.ahlberg@ericsson.com> Sun, 06 October 2019 15:05 UTC

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From: Jonas Ahlberg <jonas.ahlberg@ericsson.com>
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Hi all,

I have created an example which I hope can be used as a basis for the continued discussion. See attachment.
I've also added a few questions which I believe are important to discuss in order to create a better understanding of how we best model the unique characteristics of a microwave radio link.

Regards
JonasA

From: CCAMP <ccamp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Jonas Ahlberg
Sent: den 3 oktober 2019 14:17
To: CCAMP Working Group <ccamp-chairs@ietf.org>; ccamp <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Microwave topology

Hi all,

Short notes from our discussion today.

Please remember that the meeting time has been changed.


  *   The meeting continued the discussion about the applicability of te-topology concepts and the benefits of augmenting te-topology v.s. network-topology. The meeting concluded that most of the discussions require a refinement/clarification of the use cases to be supported by the model. It was decided that it should be the focus for the coming week and be discussed and agreed on the next meeting.
  *   The use cases mentioned (and which need to be further refined) are:
     *   L1 microwave radio link topology discovery
        *   Illustrate how radio link topology can co-exist with other L1 technologies
     *   End-to-end L2 service creation over a L1 topologies, including microwave radio link and L1 connectivity for interconnection between the radio links
        *   Show cases with and without bandwidth reservation
     *   Use case showing how microwave radio link could support higher order layers such IP/MPLS (other than L2).

Attached is a presentation showing earlier discussions about use-cases.

/JonasA

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