Re: [CCAMP] 答复: 答复: WG Last Call comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09
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Subject: Re: [CCAMP] 答复: 答复: WG Last Call comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09
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On 11/13/2012 8:24 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: > Hi Lou, > > Regarding [G709-v1] reference, there is only general reference to [G709-v1] and [G709-v1a1], ie., no specific text is referenced from some specific place of these two documents, so we reused the same approach used by [RFC4328], otherwise, [G709-v1] and [G709-v1a1] should be used together to replace the alone [G709-v1] (because it is really difficult to differentiate either [G709-v1] or [G709-v1a1] should be referenced). > > Here is the referenced used by [RFC4328]: > [ITUT-G709] ITU-T, "Interface for the Optical Transport Network (OTN)," G.709 Recommendation (and Amendment 1), February 2001 (October 2001). > > Is that acceptable for you? > I don't understand how one reference can be used for two documents. I suspect this slipped by the RFC editor. I think it makes most sense to have one reference per document. > In addition, the nits will be resolved in the next update. Thanks. Lou > > > > > Best Regards > > Fatai > > > -----邮件原件----- > 发件人: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > 发送时间: 2012年11月13日 21:56 > 收件人: Fatai Zhang; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework@tools.ietf.org > 抄送: CCAMP > 主题: Re: 答复: [CCAMP] WG Last Call comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09 > > Fatai, Authors, > Thank you for the update. Please see below for specific responses. > > On 11/13/2012 1:32 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >> Hi Lou and all, >> >> A new version has been submitted with the udpates based on the comments from Lou. >> >> Please see more in-line below marked with [Fatai]. >> >> >> Best Regards >> >> Fatai >> >> >> -----邮件原件----- >> 发件人: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] 代表 Lou Berger >> 发送时间: 2012年10月20日 7:06 >> 收件人: CCAMP; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework@tools.ietf.org >> 主题: [CCAMP] WG Last Call comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09 >> >> Authors, >> I have the following LC comments: >> >> >> General comment: >> - I have a comment related to the info document, that I'll cover in a >> separate mail on the info-model document . >> >> - I found appendix A to not be very informative and thing there are >> better examples in the other documents, suggest either moving one ore >> more to this document or drop the appendix. >> >> [Fatai] The appendix has been dropped, because we think it is better to keep the examples in the other documents. >> > > Okay. You might want to have a reference to examples in other documents > where appropriate. > >> The remaining comments are editorial in nature >> >> - Please verify that abbreviations are defined before being used . >> There are a number of these. >> >> [Fatai] Checked and updated. > > great. > >> >> - Please use a consistent decimal representation (sometimes commas are >> used other times periods) >> >> [Fatai] Checked and commas are used. > > okay. > >> >> - the references [G709-v1] and [G709-v3] each actually refer to multiple >> documents, each documented needs to have it's own (correct) reference, >> i.g., [G709-v1] and [G709-v1a1]. The document text will need to be >> revisited to ensure the proper reference is made. >> >> [Fatai] [G709-V3A2] is introduced and referenced in the right place. > > It looks like v1 still has this issue. > >> - >> http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09.txt >> shows there are unresolved nits that need to resolved . I'm using line >> numbers from this url in my subsequent comments. > > In your next update, please resolve the nits as reported in > http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-10.txt > > The rest looks good. > > Much thanks, > Lou > >> >> - Line 46: How about replace "as consented in October 2009" with "as >> published in 2009." >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Line 255: Drop "approved in 2009" the reference is sufficient >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Line 260: suggest the following change: >> OLD >> 2.5Gb/s 1.25Gb/s Nominal Bit rate >> NEW >> Time Slot Granularity >> 2.5Gb/s 1.25Gb/s Nominal Bit rate >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Lines 272-274: Please add the appropriate reference to G.709 section >> or table that points to where one finds the information on determining >> actual bit rate. >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Line 307: suggest changing "into the OTUk" --> "into a specific OTUk" >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Line 340/1: need a reference to where this is defined. >> >> [Fatai] Accepted and added. >> >> - Line 346-347: Need a reference to where this behavior is defined. >> >> [Fatai] Accepted and added. >> >> - Lines 387/388. Isn't this sentence OBE and should be dropped? >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Page 11, RWA is used in a few places on this page as is OCh layer, >> suggest replacing all instances of RWA with OCH or "OCh layer". >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Line 500: what do you mean by "including OCh layer visibility."? this >> isn't really reflected in the solutions documents (other than as MLN). >> >> [Fatai] Deleted to avoid ambiguity. >> >> - Line 589: replace "New label" with "A new label format" >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Line 636: replace "some" with "sufficient" >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Lines 639-641: drop lines (seems redundant with following paragraph) >> >> [Fatai] Accepted and dropped. >> >> - Line 686: your usage of "just" is a bit odd, how about replace "be >> just switched" with "restricted to switching" >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Line 688: similarly how about replace "just terminated" to "restricted >> to termination" >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - lines 714-719, probably should have a reference to [rfc4201] >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Line 879: Replace "contrary" with "opposite" or "reverse" >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Line 888. I suggest adding "Although, this is not greater than the >> risks presented by the existing OTN control plane as defined by >> [RFC4203] and [RFC4328]." >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Lines 888-890, I suggest dropping the sentence starting with "The data >> plane technology..." for multiple reasons, not least of which is that >> the ITU-T owns the data plane so the comment is completely out of scope. >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Lines 1081/2: The whole document is non-normative, so just drop this >> sentence. >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> That's it on this document. >> >> Lou >> >> On 10/8/2012 4:47 PM, Lou Berger wrote: >>> This mail begins a two week working group last call on: >>> >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09 >>> (Informational) >>> >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-04 >>> (Informational) >>> >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-03 >>> (Standards Track) >>> >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-04 >>> (Standards Track) >>> >>> This working group last call ends on October 22. Comments should be >>> sent to the CCAMP mailing list. Please remember to include the >>> technical basis for any comments. >>> >>> Please note that we're still missing a few IPR statements, and look >>> for these to come in during the LC period. Any forthcoming publication >>> request will be delayed by late IPR statements/disclosures. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Lou (and Deborah) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CCAMP mailing list >>> CCAMP@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> CCAMP mailing list >> CCAMP@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >>
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