Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-03.txt

Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com> Wed, 04 April 2018 07:42 UTC

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From: Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>
To: "Yemin (Amy)" <amy.yemin@huawei.com>, t.petch <ietfc@btconnect.com>, Jonas Ahlberg <jonas.ahlberg@ericsson.com>, "ccamp@ietf.org" <ccamp@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-03.txt
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It can be done later.

Thanks.
Daniele  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yemin (Amy) [mailto:amy.yemin@huawei.com]
> Sent: martedì 3 aprile 2018 22:00
> To: Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>om>; t.petch
> <ietfc@btconnect.com>om>; Jonas Ahlberg <jonas.ahlberg@ericsson.com>om>;
> ccamp@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-03.txt
> 
> Hi Daniele,
> 
> This will be an editorial update.
> Do you think we need upload a new version before LC?
> Or we could wait until LC end, then upload a new version together with other
> comments during LC.
> 
> BR,
> Amy
> ________________________________________
> 发件人: CCAMP [ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] 代表 Daniele Ceccarelli
> [daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
> 发送时间: 2018年4月3日 17:12
> 收件人: t.petch; Jonas Ahlberg; ccamp@ietf.org
> 主题: Re: [CCAMP] FW:  I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-03.txt
> 
> Good point Tom,
> 
> i don't think we need a reference any longer.
> 
> BR
> Daniele
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of t.petch
> > Sent: lunedì 2 aprile 2018 14:22
> > To: Jonas Ahlberg <jonas.ahlberg@ericsson.com>om>; ccamp@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-03.txt
> >
> > Jonas
> >
> > I am sorry I did not get back to you earlier; IETF weeks and their
> > aftermath I always find hectic (and am still catching up on this, a Bank
> Holliday:-).
> >
> > I have looked at the module as now published and yes, it looks good.
> >
> > I did wonder about the Informative Reference to
> > ahlberg-ccamp-microwave- radio-link long expired and so not so easy to
> > get hold of.
> >
> > I was thinking that it could be recycled just so that there is a
> > version readily available for anyone wanting to chase down the
> > reference but, given its content, it would probably throw up 1001
> > warnings or worse; so, probably left as it is.
> >
> > Should it still be there as a reference?  Probably one for the chairs to
> assess.
> >
> > Tom Petch
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jonas Ahlberg" <jonas.ahlberg@ericsson.com>
> > To: "t.petch" <ietfc@btconnect.com>om>; <ccamp@ietf.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 5:48 PM
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Thank you for the feedback.
> >
> > We have now updated the draft, A YANG Data Model for Microwave Radio
> > Link, based on the comments received in mail and on the presentation
> > earlier today, see below We would like your comments before we submit
> > it as a new revision.
> >
> > The changes are:
> > - "Interface identities", "Radio-link-terminal mode identities" ,
> > "Coding and modulation identities", and "TDM-type identities" have
> > been broken out from the main module and put in a new module "ietf-
> microwave-types".
> >
> > - Added an editor's note that "ID-draft editors" should be changed to
> > "Editors"
> >
> > - Added a single editor's note that all XXXX should be replaced with
> > the proper RFC number, instead of one note for each case
> >
> > - Updated draft-ietf-netmod-rfc7223bis to RFC8343
> >
> > - Updated requirements language with a reference to RFC8174
> >
> > - Updated to a consistent use of dot "." as the decimal separator
> >
> > - Added QAM, BPSK, and QPSK to the list of acronyms
> >
> > Dates remain to be updated before submission.
> >
> > The complete text file can be found on the GitHub
> > https://github.com/ietf-
> > ccamp-mw/IETF-CCAMP-Microwave-YANG-Data-Model/tr
> > ee/master/YANG%20Data%20Model/2018-03%20-%20draft-ietf-ccamp-
> mw-
> > yang-05
> >
> > Regards
> > JonasA
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: t.petch [mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com]
> > Sent: den 16 mars 2018 13:01
> > To: Jonas Ahlberg <jonas.ahlberg@ericsson.com>om>; ccamp@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-03.txt
> >
> > Jonas
> >
> > A structural thought.
> >
> > You have a number of 'enumerations' such as  coding-modulation and
> > tdm- type.  How stable are they?  How does their life cycle compare
> > with that of the rest of the YANG module?
> >
> > There is a tendency, prevalent in MIB modules but carried across to
> > YANG, of seeing these as more volatile and being placed in a separate
> > module, a separate RFC even (e.g interfaces and interface types), so
> > that when they change, rather than having to reissue the entire
> > module, just the module with the enumerations is reissued.  (The
> > ultimate in this is having the control of the list placed in the hands
> > of IANA with a revision policy of Expert Review so that nothing needs re-
> issuing).
> >
> > I started to say that I am not familiar enough with the likely evolution of .....
> > and then saw that I can see no reference for QAM to follow that line
> > of thought.  I think you need a reference for QAM.  I would also
> > include QAM in the list of abbreviations, perhaps with BPSK.
> >
> > Tom Petch
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jonas Ahlberg" <jonas.ahlberg@ericsson.com>
> > To: "t.petch" <ietfc@btconnect.com>om>; <ccamp@ietf.org>
> > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 8:02 AM
> > Subject: RE: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-03.txt
> >
> >
> > Hi Tom,
> > I tried to address your comments in time to make a new submission
> > before the cut-off time today. Maybe I was too quick, but I expect
> > that we will get more comments after our presentation/discussion at
> > IETF101 and we plan for a new submission after that. Then we will include
> your comments as well.
> > Once again, thanks for your effort to review our draft.
> >
> > Regards
> > JonasA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: t.petch [mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com]
> > Sent: den 3 mars 2018 14:07
> > To: Jonas Ahlberg <jonas.ahlberg@ericsson.com>om>; ccamp@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-03.txt
> >
> > Jonas
> >
> > That was quick.  You have addressed almost all my comments  (I was
> > expecting more time to have another read - I am sure I had some typos
> > which I have not found on a further read!)
> >
> > I still see
> > ID-draft editors:
> > in the contact clause which is true right now but which should become
> > Editors:
> > at some point.
> >
> > You have added a note the the RFC Editor for most but not quite all
> > the uses of XXXX - the ones that might be added are in the IANA
> Requirements.
> > (There are so many XXXX these days that some editors just put a
> > blanket statement at the top rather than trying to flag each one).
> >
> >  Requirements Language
> > These days usually includes a reference  to  [RFC8174]  - see for
> > example draft-ietf-netmod-rfc7223bis
> >
> > Finally, the decimal point is represented in places with a period and
> > in places with a comma; USA versus Europe perhaps. I am ok with it and
> > suspect that this is a deliberate choice on your part and is probably
> > the right choice for the technical content but might raise some comment.
> > ..
> > Tom Petch
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jonas Ahlberg" <jonas.ahlberg@ericsson.com>
> > To: "t.petch" <ietfc@btconnect.com>om>; <ccamp@ietf.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 11:11 AM
> >
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > Thank you very much for your review of the microwave yang draft.
> > We hope that we have addressed your comments in the 04 revision of the
> > draft uploaded today.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > JonasA
> >
> >
> > A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-04.txt has been
> > successfully submitted by Jonas Ahlberg and posted to the IETF repository.
> >
> > Name: draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang
> > Revision: 04
> > Title: A YANG Data Model for Microwave Radio Link Document date:
> > 2018-03-03
> > Group: ccamp
> > Pages: 46
> > URL:
> > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-04.txt
> > Status:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang/
> > Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-04
> > Htmlized:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-04
> > Diff:
> > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-04
> >
> > Abstract:
> >    This document defines a YANG data model for control and management
> >    of the radio link interfaces, and their connectivity to packet
> >    (typically Ethernet) interfaces in a microwave/millimeter wave node.
> >    The data nodes for management of the interface protection
> >    functionality is broken out into a separate and generic YANG data
> >    model in order to make it available also for other interface types.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: t.petch [mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com]
> > Sent: den 1 mars 2018 12:06
> > To: Jonas Ahlberg <jonas.ahlberg@ericsson.com>om>; ccamp@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-03.txt
> >
> > Jonas
> >
> > Some administrative thoughts on the YANG in  this I-D, most applying
> > to both YANG modules.
> >
> > The contact list has  i-d draft authors; suggest editors
> >
> > The description clause copyright statement is incomplete.
> >
> > The description clause lacks a statement as to which RFC this comes from.
> >
> > The revision should say 'Initial revision'
> >
> > Add an RFC editor note to replace the dates (plural)
> >
> > The case of xxxx varies; suggest making it XXXX and adding note to the
> > RFC Editor to replace <all> occurrences thereof.  Some in the YANG
> > module might get missed (and some authors use xxxx to mean one thing
> > and XXXX for something else:-).
> >
> > import ietf-interface-protection
> > add a reference; in the RFC it may be obvious where this can be found
> > but when the YANG module is extracted and on its own, there will be
> > hundreds of potential RFC to choose from
> >
> > import iana-if-type
> > Again I would add a reference - I know, it is well known but I am  fan
> > of stating the obvious in a technical document
> >
> >  import ietf-yang-types
> > ditto
> >
> > You reference rfc7223bis
> > Suggest adding a note to the RFC Editor to replace this with the
> > number assigned to that when it becomes an RFC; the RFC Editor has
> > asked for such a note.
> >
> > ETSI References need more work.  The YANG module has references to
> > ETSI TR 102 311  ETSI EN 302 217-1  ETSI EN 301 129 all of which
> > should appear in the Normative References of the I-D and none of which
> > do; and they then need to appear in the text part of the I-D lest they
> > are flagged as unused references
> >
> > You do have
> > EN 302 217-2 [EN302217-2]
> > but that is a different version:-)
> >
> > And there is a general problem; the reference clause uses ETSI EN 302
> > 217-1 whereas the existing Reference for EN302217-2 drops the ETSI and
> > drops the spaces; obviously the same?  May be.
> >
> > So I think you should include a paragraph, or table, perhaps as
> > Section
> > 4.1 saying something like
> >
> > "   This module imports typedefs from [RFC6991] and
> >    [RFC7223bis], ....
> >
> >  and it references
> >
> >  ETSI TR 102 311  [TR102311]
> >  ETSI EN 302 217-1 [EN302217-1]
> >  ETSI EN 301 129 [EN301129]    "
> > which is the sort of thing that
> > draft-ietf-netmod-rfc7277bis
> > does.
> >
> > reference "ITU-T G.826";
> > reference "ITU-T Rec. G.808.1";
> > ditto
> > (and perhaps making the style the same, with or without Rec., even
> > spelling it out )
> >
> >  Tom Petch
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jonas Ahlberg" <jonas.ahlberg@ericsson.com>
> > To: <ccamp@ietf.org>
> > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 1:35 PM
> >
> > > Dear CCAMPers,
> > >
> > > The draft of the YANG Data Model for Microwave Radio Link has now
> > > been
> > updated.
> > > The structure, format and content of the document have been changed
> > > to
> > adhere to "Guidelines for Authors and Reviewers of YANG Data Model
> > Documents", draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-15.
> > > A few editorial changes of the actual yang models have also been
> > > done,
> > but the structure and content remains however the same.
> > >
> > > In all, the authors believe the draft addresses all the comments and
> > would like to ask for WG LC.
> > >
> > > BR,
> > > JonasA (on behalf of the co-authors)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> > internet-drafts@ietf.org
> > > Sent: den 26 februari 2018 14:23
> > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
> > > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org
> > > Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-03.txt
> > >
> > >
> > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> > directories.
> > > This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement
> > > Plane
> > WG of the IETF.
> > >
> > >         Title           : A YANG Data Model for Microwave Radio Link
> > >         Authors         : Jonas Ahlberg
> > >                           Ye Min
> > >                           Xi Li
> > >                           Daniela Spreafico
> > >                           Marko Vaupotic
> > > Filename        : draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-03.txt
> > > Pages           : 44
> > > Date            : 2018-02-26
> > >
> > > Abstract:
> > >    This document defines a YANG data model for control and management
> > >    of the radio link interfaces, and their connectivity to packet
> > >    (typically Ethernet) interfaces in a microwave/millimeter wave
> > node.
> > >    The data nodes for management of the interface protection
> > >    functionality is broken out into a separate and generic YANG data
> > >    model in order to make it available also for other interface types.
> > >
> > >
> > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang/
> > >
> > > There are also htmlized versions available at:
> > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-03
> > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-03
> > >
> > > A diff from the previous version is available at:
> > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-03
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> > >
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