Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impairment-yang-00.txt
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Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impairment-yang-00.txt
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Yang, I was referring to augment /nw:networks/nw:network/nw:node/tet:te/tet:tunnel-termination-point: +--ro available-modulation* identityref +--ro modulation-enabled? boolean +--ro modulation-type? identityref +--ro available-FEC* identityref +--ro FEC-enabled? boolean +--ro FEC-type? identityref +--ro FEC-code-rate? decimal64 +--ro FEC-threshold? decimal64 For example: The modulation is part of the application code (from the actual G.698.2 a bit shortened for readability): The application code notation is constructed as follows: DScW-ytz(v) where, D is the indicator of DWDM applications. S indicates options of maximum spectral excursion such as: · – N indicating narrow spectral excursion. · – W indicating wide spectral excursion. c is the channel spacing in GHz. W indicates the black link dispersion compensation regime as follows: · – C indicating that the chromatic dispersion values are appropriate to a black link that is dispersion compensated. · – U indicating that the chromatic dispersion values are appropriate to a black link that is dispersion uncompensated. y indicates the highest class of optical tributary signal supported: o – 1 indicating NRZ 2.5G. o – 2 indicating NRZ 10G. t is a letter indicating the configuration supported by the application code. In the current version of this Recommendation, the only value used is: – A indicating that the black link may contain optical amplifiers. z indicates the fibre types, as follows: · – 2 indicating ITU-T G.652 fibre. · – 3 indicating ITU-T G.653 fibre. · – 5 indicating ITU-T G.655 fibre. v indicates the operating wavelength range in terms of spectral bands (see [b-ITU-T G-Sup.39]): If more than one spectral band is used, then v becomes the band letters separated by "+", e.g., for an application requiring the use of both of the C and L bands, v would be "C+L". For some application codes, a suffix is added to the end of the code. The only suffix currently defined is: – F to indicate that this application requires FEC bytes as specified in [ITU-T G.709] to be transmitted. So under the assumption the application code is defined for the tunnel termination point: augment /nw:networks/nw:network/nw:node/tet:te/tet:tunnel-termination-point: +--ro available-modulation* identityref --> Parameter y +--ro modulation-enabled? Boolean --> the code defines only one modulation, not enabled/disabled +--ro modulation-type? Identityref --> parameter y +--ro available-FEC* identityref --> parameter F is a Boolean +--ro FEC-enabled? Boolean --> enabled/disabled would result in two different application codes (with and without tailing F) +--ro FEC-type? Identityref --> F +--ro FEC-code-rate? decimal64 --> since F is defined, this one is defined too +--ro FEC-threshold? decimal64 --> since F is defined, this one is defined too Best Gert From: 'Leeyoung' <leeyoung@huawei.com> Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 16:21 To: Gert Grammel <ggrammel@juniper.net>, CCAMP <ccamp@ietf.org> Cc: Dieter Beller <Dieter.Beller@nokia.com>, "Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical &Microwave Technology Research Dept)" <zhenghaomian@huawei.com> Subject: RE: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impairment-yang-00.txt Hi Gert, In the current WSON model, we have the following: augment /nw:networks/nw:network/nw:node/tet:te/tet:tunnel-termination-point: +--rw supported-operational-modes* te-wson-types:operational-mode +--rw configured-operational-modes? te-wson-types:operational-mode +--rw supported-fec-types* identityref +--rw supported-termination-types* identityref +--rw supports-bit-stuffing? boolean So we are describing application codes in the TTP. Is this what you meant to describe application code in the Termination Point? Thanks. Young From: Gert Grammel [mailto:ggrammel@juniper.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 3:54 AM To: ccamp@ietf.org Cc: Dieter Beller <Dieter.Beller@nokia.com>; Leeyoung <leeyoung@huawei.com>; Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical &Microwave Technology Research Dept) <zhenghaomian@huawei.com> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impairment-yang-00.txt The draft triggered a question about the approach we are using in ccamp to address WSON going forward. In the past, the group aimed for alignment with ITU-T and using application codes to describe optical capabilities. Is this still the way forward? If so, my expectation would be to find application codes as description of termination points. If the view changed, it should be spelled out. Gert From: CCAMP <ccamp-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf of Dieter Beller <Dieter.Beller@nokia.com<mailto:Dieter.Beller@nokia.com>> Organization: Nokia Date: Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 11:07 To: 'Leeyoung' <leeyoung@huawei.com<mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com>>, Zhenghaomian <zhenghaomian@huawei.com<mailto:zhenghaomian@huawei.com>> Cc: CCAMP <ccamp@ietf.org<mailto:ccamp@ietf.org>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impairment-yang-00.txt Hi Young and Haomian, I had a look at draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impairment-yang-00, which you submitted a few weeks ago and I have the following concerns: The abstract and introduction states: Abstract This document provides a YANG data model for the impairment-aware TE topology in wavelength switched optical networks (WSONs). 1. Introduction ... This document provides a YANG data model for the impairment-aware Traffic Engineering (TE) topology in wavelength switched optical networks (WSONs). The YANG model described in this document is a WSON technology-specific Yang model based on the information model developed in [RFC7446<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tools.ietf.org_html_rfc7446&d=DwMDaQ&c=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=Sf-T94Aod4TTEURQzTXYYw-Q-H8PyeOsweqqcNyVIcU&m=zk3zS00lx60_LBxIKggxhMkHsPCBJ4biAFdpDYpeTGA&s=t3EVJKIBbfBziQCv67C_SIGqCsL1lLO5QfzEzD1wC0Y&e=>] and the two encoding documents [RFC7581<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tools.ietf.org_html_rfc7581&d=DwMDaQ&c=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=Sf-T94Aod4TTEURQzTXYYw-Q-H8PyeOsweqqcNyVIcU&m=zk3zS00lx60_LBxIKggxhMkHsPCBJ4biAFdpDYpeTGA&s=S4OUJ2my7xLw9DxcGX9NUyph3GbY44XOtQud1wwYp-A&e=>] and [RFC7579<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tools.ietf.org_html_rfc7579&d=DwMDaQ&c=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=Sf-T94Aod4TTEURQzTXYYw-Q-H8PyeOsweqqcNyVIcU&m=zk3zS00lx60_LBxIKggxhMkHsPCBJ4biAFdpDYpeTGA&s=V6LYiY4JVdT0RvJb6BoDJ0MWyLwIBz-nlotLCl8iNWk&e=>] that developed protocol independent encodings based on [RFC7446<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tools.ietf.org_html_rfc7446&d=DwMDaQ&c=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=Sf-T94Aod4TTEURQzTXYYw-Q-H8PyeOsweqqcNyVIcU&m=zk3zS00lx60_LBxIKggxhMkHsPCBJ4biAFdpDYpeTGA&s=t3EVJKIBbfBziQCv67C_SIGqCsL1lLO5QfzEzD1wC0Y&e=>]. Based on this scope, I was expecting that this I-D provides te-link augmentations for WSON networks. Examples of WSON specific te-link attributes are fiber type, spectrum availability, chromatic dispersion, PMD, PDL, OSNR contribution (if the link includes ILAs) just to list a few. However, the only te-link augmentation is: augment /nw:networks/nw:network/nt:link/tet:te/tet:te-link-attributes: +--ro power? int32 It is also reasonable to define WSON augmentations for termination points representing the line side of optical transponders as they can be considered as topological elements even if these attributes are not representing optical impairments!: augment /nw:networks/nw:network/nw:node/tet:te/tet:tunnel-termination-point: +--ro available-modulation* identityref +--ro modulation-enabled? boolean +--ro modulation-type? identityref +--ro available-FEC* identityref +--ro FEC-enabled? boolean +--ro FEC-type? identityref +--ro FEC-code-rate? decimal64 +--ro FEC-threshold? decimal64 I don't understand why all the OT attributes are defined as ro attributes. State of the art OTs typically provide multiple operational modes. Hence, these attributes should be defined as rw attributes. All other augmentations are defined for paths (te-tunnels) or termination points, which is a bit strange! Here are two examples: augment /nw:networks/nw:network/nt:link/tet:te/tet:te-link- attributes/tet:underlay/tet:primary-path/tet:path- element/tet:type/tet:label/tet:label-hop/tet:te-label/tet:technology: +--:(wson-imp-topo) +--rw (grid-type)? | +--:(dwdm) | | +--ro channel-freq? decimal64 | +--:(cwdm) | +--ro channel-wavelength? uint32 +--ro bit-rate? decimal64 +--ro BER? decimal64 +--ro pmd? decimal64 +--ro cd? decimal64 +--ro osnr? decimal64 +--ro q-factor? decimal64 channel-freq/channel-wavelength, bit-rate, BER are definitively service (te-tunnel) attributes and do not represent optical impairments for a WSON network topology. For pmd, cd, and q-factor (definition?), it looks like these are attributes for all the links along the path. Why are these impairments defined for a path and are not te-link augmentations? I was expecting that this draft defines optical impairments for the topological entities in a WSON network where optical impairments matter. Could you please clarify. Thanks, Dieter On 01.09.2018 05:42, internet-drafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote: A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : A Yang Data Model for Impairment-Aware WSON Optical Networks Authors : Young Lee Haomian Zheng Filename : draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impairment-yang-00.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2018-08-31 Abstract: This document provides a YANG data model for the impairment-aware TE topology in wavelength switched optical networks (WSONs). 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- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Dieter Beller
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Gert Grammel
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Leeyoung
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Gert Grammel
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Leeyoung
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Gert Grammel
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Leeyoung
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Gert Grammel
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Leeyoung
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Gert Grammel
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Daniele Ceccarelli
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Daniele Ceccarelli
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Gert Grammel
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe)
- [CCAMP] 答复: I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical &Microwave Technology Research Dept)
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Jonas Mårtensson
- Re: [CCAMP] 答复: I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-… Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe)
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Leeyoung
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Dieter Beller
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Leeyoung
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Jonas Mårtensson
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Leeyoung
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Leeyoung
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Jonas Mårtensson
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe)
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Daniele Ceccarelli
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Jonas Mårtensson
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Daniele Ceccarelli
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Jonas Mårtensson
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Daniele Ceccarelli
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe)
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Leeyoung
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Leeyoung
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate)
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Huub van Helvoort
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Gert Grammel
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Jonas Mårtensson
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Leeyoung
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Jonas Mårtensson
- [CCAMP] 答复: I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical &Microwave Technology Research Dept)
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Gert Grammel
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Daniele Ceccarelli
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)
- [CCAMP] 答复: I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Fatai Zhang
- [CCAMP] 答复: I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Fatai Zhang
- Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impa… Huub van Helvoort