[CCAMP] Please focus your discussions on technical topics

"Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk> Mon, 28 January 2013 17:54 UTC

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Subject: [CCAMP] Please focus your discussions on technical topics
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Discussions of IETF process may be raised on ietf@ietf.org.

Concerns about the behavior of working group chairs should, in the first
instance be raised with the chairs themselves. If that does not bring
satisfaction, the issue should be brought to the ADs.

As a matter of clarification (and not for further discussion on the CCAMP
list!): All IETF participants regardless of their role may express technical
opinions and, if they feel strongly, may express them forcefully but always
politely and courteously. That means that WG chairs (yay, and even ADs) can
express technical opinions during discussions. Sometimes the chairs/ADs feel it
necessary to point out to the WG that the opinion they are expressing is just
one voice in the crowd (i.e., they say they have taken their hat off). Chairs
and ADs often have areas of experience where their voice is listened to
carefully, but that is because of their experience not because of their IETF
role. This is fundamental to the way the IETF operates and needs to be thought
about carefully.

Please feel free to contact me privately for any further explanations.