Re: [CCAMP] [OPSAWG] Draft on YANG for state machine

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Subject: Re: [CCAMP] [OPSAWG] Draft on YANG for state machine
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Nicola

The title of this I-D caught my eye but when I read it, I struggle to
see the connection between the content and the title.

If you are really extending YANG, then to me it is axiomatic that the
work should be done in the NETMOD WG.  Reading the I-D, I struggle to
see what extensions you want to make to YANG.

Starting from an FSM perspective, I would have thought that a data
modelling language would not make a good starting point.

And the phraseology used in the I-D surprises me e.g.

" First, NETCONF
   supports both control and management functionalities, thus permits
   high programmability. "
Um, NETCONF is an application protocol that can transfer such things as
chunks of ASN.1 or SQL from A to B using a paradigm of RPC (with events
tacked on the side).

How this relates to control and management funtionalities I struggle to
see.

Perhaps a non-optical example would make things clearer.

Tom Petch


----- Original Message -----
From: "nicola sambo" <nicosambo@gmail.com>;
To: "Daniele Ceccarelli" <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>;
Cc: "Greg Mirsky" <gregimirsky@gmail.com>;; <opsawg@ietf.org>;;
<ccamp@ietf.org>;; <n.sambo@sssup.it>;
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 10:13 AM

Hi Daniele,

thanks for the suggestion. We will generalize it and include further use
cases as the one anticipated by Giuseppe.

And we are open to include further contributions if any.

Best,
Nicola

Il martedì 25 luglio 2017, Fioccola Giuseppe <
giuseppe.fioccola@telecomitalia.it>; ha scritto:

> Hi Daniele and All,
>
> As one of the coauthors of this draft, I also agree about the purpose
to
> generalize this proposal.
>
> And regarding this aspect, we will add a new use case for IP and
Overlay
> Network that is inspired by a well-known IPPM methodology
> (draft-ietf-ippm-alt-mark) and in particular its application in an SDN
> oriented environment (draft-fioccola-ippm-multipoint-alt-mark).
>
> Of course, NETMOD WG could be also taken into consideration.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> Giuseppe
>
>
>
> *Da:* Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com');>]
> *Inviato:* martedì 25 luglio 2017 18:14
> *A:* nicola sambo; opsawg@ietf.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','opsawg@ietf.org');>; ccamp@ietf.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ccamp@ietf.org');>
> *Cc:* Greg Mirsky; Fioccola Giuseppe; n.sambo@sssup.it
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','n.sambo@sssup.it');>
> *Oggetto:* RE: [OPSAWG][CCAMP] Draft on YANG for state machine
>
>
>
> Hi Nicola,
>
>
>
> Thanks for bringing this up. As i said during the OPSAWG session
@IETF99 I
> believe you should have a generalized version of this document (not
> starting from an optical use case) and then build on new use cases and
> possibly technology specific extensions.
>
> Personally I believe the work should be done in the OPS area, probably
in
> the OPSAWG or even better in NETMOD WG.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Daniele
>
>
>
> *From:* nicola sambo [mailto:nicosambo@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nicosambo@gmail.com');>]
> *Sent:* martedì 25 luglio 2017 12:38
> *To:* opsawg@ietf.org
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','opsawg@ietf.org');>;
> ccamp@ietf.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ccamp@ietf.org');>
> *Cc:* Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gregimirsky@gmail.com');>>; Fioccola
> Giuseppe <giuseppe.fioccola@telecomitalia.it
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','giuseppe.fioccola@telecomitalia.it');>>;
> Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com');>>;
> n.sambo@sssup.it <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','n.sambo@sssup.it');>
> *Subject:* [OPSAWG][CCAMP] Draft on YANG for state machine
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> I'd like to continue the discussion related to the draft:
>
>
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sambo-opsawg-ccamp-
> supa-ext-yang-fsm/
>
>
>
> In particular, please let me know if you have comments about
>
>
>
> - working group of the draft
>
> - use cases of application
>
> - other
>
>
>
> Slides presented at the meeting are available here
>
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/qhq2n6bmlp8ifkj/draft-sambo-opsawg-ccamp-supa
-ext-yang-fsm-00.pptx?dl=0>.
> Any comment and contribution are welcome.
>
>
>
> Thanks. Best,
>
> Nicola
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