Re: [CCAMP] Discussion on how to carry the Global_ID
Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> Tue, 07 February 2012 13:34 UTC
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Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussion on how to carry the Global_ID
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Francesco, From my perspective, the (minimum) requirements are being driven by rfc6370. Take a look at sections 5.2 and 5.3, and see if you still think more mechanisms are being defined than is necessary. Lou On 2/7/2012 3:56 AM, Francesco Fondelli wrote: > > Am I the only one here that feels "uncomfortable" with this approach and > this additional Z9-Tunnel_Num index in GMPLS flying from egress to > ingress (for no reason?!?)? It might be naive or even stupid but I'd > like to understand why we have to add another index... please shed some > light on me. > > [I'm talking about co-routed bidi, I don't care about associated] > > thank you > ciao > FF > > 2012/2/7 <zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn <mailto:zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn>> > > > Vero > > Why is tunnel number not known by node A? The tunnel number should > has been carried in Session and Sender Template/Filter Spec object > and exchanged by node A and node Z during the LSP set-up. Correct me > if I am wrong. > > According to the description of RFC6370, section 5.1 > At each end point, a tunnel is uniquely identified by the end point's > Node_ID and a locally assigned tunnel number. Specifically, a > "Tunnel Number" (Tunnel_Num) is a 16-bit unsigned integer unique > within the context of the Node_ID. The motivation for each end point > having its own tunnel number is to allow a compact form for the > MEP_ID. > > Which means that for co-routed bidrectional LSP, there are two > tunnel numbers, one is locally assigned at node A and the other is > locally assigned at node Z. > If the signaling message is initialized at node A, the tunnel number > carried in Session/Sender Template objects is locally assigned at > node A. Of course, a new > C-type,like type=8, can be defined in the class of SESSION to carry > back the tunnel number assigned at node Z; but according to the > discussion with George, I do not think it is a good idea which is > not backward compatible. > > Regards > > Fei > > > *Vero Zheng <vero.zheng@huawei.com <mailto:vero.zheng@huawei.com>>* > > 2012-02-07 15:33 > > > 收件人 > "zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn <mailto:zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn>" > <zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn <mailto:zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn>> > 抄送 > "ccamp@ietf.org <mailto:ccamp@ietf.org>" <ccamp@ietf.org > <mailto:ccamp@ietf.org>> > 主题 > RE: [CCAMP] Discussion on how to carry the Global_ID > > > > > > > > > Fei, > > Please see in-line. > > BR, > Vero > > Fei, > > you wrote: > > First, > “2. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-chen-ccamp-mpls-tp-oio-01 > > The Global_ID Object and the ICC_Operator_ID Object are defined in > this draft, which describes the procedure of corouted bidirectional > LSP (associated bidirectional LSP is not covered in the current > version) and requires that the same format( Global_ID or > ICC_Operator_ID)is used along the LSP. > > Which is not true. The Object we defined could be carried in both > Path/Resv message, and is not restricted either to co-routed > bi-directional LSP or associated bi-directional LSP. > > <fei> > Although either co-routed or associated bidirectional LSP is not > mentioned in this draft , according to the descripition in section > 2.3, " If the node agrees, it MUST use the same format of Operator > ID. The same C-Type of OIO MUST be carried in the Resv message", > which means that the procedure is for corouted bidrectional LSP. > The above is just my understanding and provided for discussion, and > if it is wrong or inaccurate, please let me know. > </fei> > The procedure described above aims to guarantee the sender and the > receiver using the same C-Type of the object, i.e. both end using > Global_ID or both using ICC_Operator_ID. > > Second, > 3. > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-01 > > > The Global_ID is carried as a TLV of the LSP_ATTRIBUTE object, which > will appear in the Path/Resv message of corouted bidrectional LSP > and only appear in the Path message of associated bidirectional LSP. > Furthermore, this draft defined a Connection TLV used to carry the > local tunnel number assigned at Z9 nodes in the scenario of corouted > bidirectional LSP. > > Why “tunnel number” is carried in the Connection TLV? I don't see > its necessary for both co-route/ associated bi-directional LSP. > Could you explain? > > <fei> > As I said, it is useful for corouted (not associated) bidirectional > LSP, consider that there is one LSP (LSP1, initiated at node A) > between node A/Z. > If the CC-V pakcet is sent from node Z, the MEP_ID of node Z will > be inserted in the OAM packets, which is organized by > node_ID::tunnel_num::LSP_num > (section 5.2.1 or 7.2.2 of RFC6370), and if this MEP_ID is not > pre-stored at node A, it can not judge whether this MEP_ID is valid. > See the description in section 5.1.1.2 > (*Mis-Connectivity Defect*) of RFC6371. > LSP1 > A-------------------------------Z > > > </fei> > Why is tunnel number not known by node A? The tunnel number should > has been carried in Session and Sender Template/Filter Spec object > and exchanged by node A and node Z during the LSP set-up. Correct me > if I am wrong. > > BR, > Vero > > Thanks. > > Vero > > * > From:* ccamp-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org> > [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org>] *On > Behalf Of *zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn <mailto:zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn>* > Sent:* Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:50 PM* > To:* ccamp@ietf.org <mailto:ccamp@ietf.org>* > Subject:* [CCAMP] Discussion on how to carry the Global_ID > > > Hi CCAMPers > > As discussed in the last IETF meeting and mailinglist, the Global_ID > should be carried in the signaling messages. One reason is that the > judgement of a mis-connectivity defect needs the A1/Z9 nodes to > pre-store each other's MEP_ID, whose format is: > Gobal_ID+Node_ID+Tunnel_num+LSP_num. > > Fortunately, there are several drafts related to this topic now, > > 1. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-ext-01. > > The Globa_ID is incorporated into the ASSOCIATION object in the > current version, which guarantees that the association is global > unique. Since the ASSOCIATION object is used across different LSPs, > just my2cents, the defined format is deficient to handle more > scenarios. For example: > > (1) Considering a corouted bidirectional LSP, which is not > protected by other LSPs through control plane and/or does not share > the same resoures with other LSPs. In these cases, the ASSOCIATION > object will not be carried in the sigaling messages. > > (2) Considering an associated bidirectional LSP, although the > ASSOCIATION object is carried in the sigaling messages, the > global_ID incorporated in the ASSOCIATION object only > indicates the global prefix of the A1 or Z9 nodes. If this LSP is > across different domains, I think the current format is also > deficient (A1 does not know the gobal ID of Z9 node or Z9 nodes does > not know the global ID of A1 ). > > 2. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-chen-ccamp-mpls-tp-oio-01 > > The Global_ID Object and the ICC_Operator_ID Object are defined in > this draft, which describes the procedure of corouted bidirectional > LSP (associated bidirectional LSP is not covered in the current > version) and requires that the same format( Global_ID or > ICC_Operator_ID)is used along the LSP. > > 3. > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-01 > > > The Global_ID is carried as a TLV of the LSP_ATTRIBUTE object, which > will appear in the Path/Resv message of corouted bidrectional LSP > and only appear in the Path message of associated bidirectional LSP. > Furthermore, this draft defined a Connection TLV used to carry the > local tunnel number assigned at Z9 nodes in the scenario of corouted > bidirectional LSP. > > > The above materials only provide the rough background. > > > Hope to hear the opinions from the WG that how to carry the > Global_ID, then move the work forward. > > > Best regards > > ;) > > Fei > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org <mailto:CCAMP@ietf.org> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > > > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp
- Re: [CCAMP] Discussion on how to carry the Global… Lou Berger
- [CCAMP] Discussion on how to carry the Global_ID zhang.fei3
- Re: [CCAMP] Discussion on how to carry the Global… Lou Berger
- Re: [CCAMP] Discussion on how to carry the Global… zhang.fei3
- Re: [CCAMP] Discussion on how to carry the Global… Vero Zheng
- Re: [CCAMP] Discussion on how to carry the Global… zhang.fei3
- Re: [CCAMP] Discussion on how to carry the Global… zhang.fei3
- Re: [CCAMP] Discussion on how to carry the Global… Vero Zheng
- Re: [CCAMP] Discussion on how to carry the Global… zhang.fei3
- Re: [CCAMP] Discussion on how to carry the Global… Francesco Fondelli
- Re: [CCAMP] Discussion on how to carry the Global… zhang.fei3
- Re: [CCAMP] Discussion on how to carry the Global… Francesco Fondelli
- Re: [CCAMP] Discussion on how to carry the Global… Lou Berger
- Re: [CCAMP] Discussion on how to carry the Global… Francesco Fondelli
- Re: [CCAMP] Discussion on how to carry the Global… zhang.fei3
- Re: [CCAMP] Discussion on how to carry the Global… Mach Chen
- Re: [CCAMP] Discussion on how to carry the Global… Lou Berger