RE: [Tsvwg] [mpls] multiple-working group last call ondraft-ietf-mpls-cosfield-def-04.txt
"Drake, John E" <John.E.Drake2@boeing.com> Tue, 22 July 2008 16:52 UTC
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Subject: RE: [Tsvwg] [mpls] multiple-working group last call ondraft-ietf-mpls-cosfield-def-04.txt
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From: "Drake, John E" <John.E.Drake2@boeing.com>
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What about 'CoS'? >-----Original Message----- >From: toby.moncaster@bt.com [mailto:toby.moncaster@bt.com] >Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:34 AM >To: benjamin.niven-jenkins@bt.com; johnkenney@alumni.nd.edu; loa@pi.nu >Cc: l2vpn@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; tsvwg@ietf.org; >ccamp@ops.ietf.org; pwe3@ietf.org; ahtmpls@itu.int >Subject: Re: [Tsvwg] [mpls] multiple-working group last call >ondraft-ietf-mpls-cosfield-def-04.txt > >I tend to agree with Ben - in effect whatever we end up >calling it there should be a clear explanation of what we >think it actually means. > >If you are still open to new suggestions how about "traffic >information field" as strictly using it for ECN still isn't >traffic management. Or even "traffic signalling field" > >Toby > >____________________________________________________________________ >Toby Moncaster, <toby.moncaster@bt.com> Networks Research >Centre, BT B54/70 Adastral Park, Ipswich, IP53RE, UK. +44 1473 648734 > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tsvwg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:tsvwg-bounces@ietf.org] >On Behalf >> Of Ben Niven-Jenkins >> Sent: 21 July 2008 16:15 >> To: John Kenney; Loa Andersson >> Cc: L2VPN; mpls@ietf.org; tsvwg@ietf.org; ccamp; pwe3; >ahtmpls@itu.int >> Subject: Re: [Tsvwg] [mpls] multiple-working group last call on >> draft-ietf-mpls-cosfield-def-04.txt >> >> I'm not precious about which term we use but if we use Traffic >> Management I think a paragraph should be added explaining what is >> meant to put it in context. >> >> Ben >> >> >> >> On 21/07/2008 15:07, "John Kenney" <johnkenney@alumni.nd.edu> wrote: >> >> > Hi Loa, >> > >> > This is a good draft. It's time to rename the EXP field. >While CoS >> > Field may have been a good choice at one time, we've now >> heard from many >> > who think it is too narrow for current usage of this field. >> > >> > I suggest "Traffic Management Field". >> > >> > Traffic management is a common, generic, and concise term. >> It covers >> > all current uses of the field: scheduling class, drop >priority, and >> > congestion notification. CoS really only covers the first. > Traffic >> > management is well-scoped to this purpose, and clearly >> preferable to CoS >> > in my opinion. >> > >> > In terms of the draft, I think a simple global substitution >> of "traffic >> > management" for "class of service" and of "TM" for "CoS" >> should suffice. >> > >> > I think in the long run we'll be glad if we bite the bullet >> now and make >> > this change. >> > >> > Best Regards, >> > John >> > >> > >> > Loa Andersson wrote: >> >> >> >> Bob, >> >> >> >> thanks for useful comments :) >> >> >> >> Bob Briscoe wrote: >> >>> Loa, >> >>> >> >>> I believe this draft has no technical effect. However >> there is some >> >>> truth in the idea that names are important. >> >>> >> >>> So, let's set aside a few clock cycles to consider this... >> >>> >> >>> 1/ Is CoS a good description of ECN? Given RFC5129 >(Using the EXP >> >>> field for ECN in MPLS), is it really appropriate now to >> call this a >> >>> CoS field? >> >>> >> >>> Thinking out loud... >> >>> - CoS is a signal from an ingress to the interior (a >request for a >> >>> certain class of service), >> >>> - whereas ECN is a signal from the interior forwarding >> plane to the >> >>> egress (a response from the interior saying whether the class of >> >>> service requested was congested). >> >>> >> >>> The way 5129 was done, two (or more) EXP codepoints can >> be designated >> >>> as the same CoS, but one can be used to say "this packet >> experienced >> >>> congestion when using this CoS", while the other says >"it didn't". >> >>> So, I guess I could live with this field being called CoS, even >> >>> though it's not strictly correct. I can't think of >> anything better. >> >> >> >> We had the same discussion when we started to discuss this >> draft, we >> >> wanted to find a name the covered both cases. We just >couldn't come >> >> with a better name, so we said "Let us call it 'CoS >> Field'" and change >> >> it someone comes up with something better. >> >> >> >> I'm still open to do that change, but time is kind of >> running out, the >> >> latest point in time we can do this change is an RFC >> editor note, when >> >> the IESG has approved the document. >> > >> >> >
- multiple-working group last call on draft-ietf-mp… Loa Andersson
- Re: [Tsvwg] multiple-working group last call on d… Loa Andersson
- Re: [mpls] [Tsvwg] multiple-working group last ca… Ben Niven-Jenkins
- RE: [Tsvwg] [mpls] multiple-working group last ca… Drake, John E