Re: [CCAMP] draft-ietf-ccamp-flexi-grid-fwk-01
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Hi Maarten, I CC the mail to CCAMP. I aggree with you. PCE should compute the path for a group of network media channel. If all of them meet performance requirement, they should be signaled and recovery together. When we recall the connection management of ODUk, a group of network media channels which must be managed as a single entity is similar as an ODUk connection. An ODUk connection is composed of multiple time slots (e.g., 1.25G). Thanks, Xihua Maarten vissers <maarten.vissers@huawei.com> 2014-03-05 上午 06:55 收件人 "fu.xihua@zte.com.cn" <fu.xihua@zte.com.cn> 抄送 Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>, Iftekhar Hussain <IHussain@infinera.com>, "Malcolm.BETTS@zte.com.cn" <Malcolm.BETTS@zte.com.cn>, Oscar González de Dios <ogondio@tid.es>, Ramon Casellas <ramon.casellas@cttc.es>, "Zhangxian (Xian)" <zhang.xian@huawei.com>, Fatai Zhang <zhangfatai@huawei.com> 主题 RE: slides for draft-ietf-ccamp-flexi-grid-fwk-01 Hi Xihua, Indeed, as you describe an OTUCn is carried in its entirety over one optical channel layer connection. A complete or partial failure of this one connection will be represented as a signal fail condition of the connection. This approach keeps things simple and thus manageable. It also keeps the set up of this connection in network elements very similar to the set up of an ODUk connection. Main difference between the two is the configuration of timeslots versus frequency slots. But this is not a real functional difference. Path computation of this connection and an ODUk connection are very, very different… Path computation for this optical channel layer connection demands that the connection is considered to contain multiple network media channels and performance for each network media channel must be checked; i.e. compute one (or more) potential paths through the optical channel layer for this connection and then check the performance in every network media channel within each of the potential connections. If one or more of these potential connections provide the required performance, then select one of these and configure the optical channel layer cross connects in the network elements in the selected path. An ODUk connection on the other hand can be treated as one entity; i.e. no need to consider the performance in the individual timeslot channels. I expect that the above method (i.e. compute the path for the optical channel layer connection) is simpler than when you try to compute the path for individual network media channels and then have to check which of these channels are co-routed. Regards, Maarten From: fu.xihua@zte.com.cn [mailto:fu.xihua@zte.com.cn] Sent: dinsdag 4 maart 2014 14:34 To: Maarten vissers Cc: Daniele Ceccarelli; Iftekhar Hussain; Malcolm.BETTS@zte.com.cn; Oscar González de Dios; Ramon Casellas; Zhangxian (Xian); Fatai Zhang Subject: RE: slides for draft-ietf-ccamp-flexi-grid-fwk-01 Hi Maarten, Thanks you for your detailed information. From the perspective of control plane, there are several aspects to consider. 1. Path Computation: PCE needs to compute and end-to-end route which is composed of several network media channels. These network media channels must be co-routed (i.e., go across same fibers and nodes). Non co-routed requirement is not supported by Q11. This is an assumption in Q11, but no body want to challenge it until now. The main reason is delay issues. 2. These network media channels must be created or deleted in atomic way. That part of network media channels are successfully created or deleted should be considered as single entity connection creation or deletion failure. 3. As part of failures are not supported in Q11, all of network media channels must be recovered (i.e., protection switching or restoration) together. For example, if there is LOS alarm in one of network media channel due to optical module failure, all of media channel must be switched or re-routed together. Thanks, Xihua Maarten vissers <maarten.vissers@huawei.com> 2014-03-03 下午 05:31 收件人 "fu.xihua@zte.com.cn" <fu.xihua@zte.com.cn>, Fatai Zhang < zhangfatai@huawei.com> 抄送 Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>, Iftekhar Hussain < IHussain@infinera.com>, Oscar González de Dios <ogondio@tid.es>, Ramon Casellas <ramon.casellas@cttc.es>, "Zhangxian (Xian)" < zhang.xian@huawei.com>, "Malcolm.BETTS@zte.com.cn" < Malcolm.BETTS@zte.com.cn> 主题 RE: slides for draft-ietf-ccamp-flexi-grid-fwk-01 All, Xihua is right with his notion that the transport of an OTUCn signal over one or more frequency slots is managed as one entity. The G.872 model does not reflect this management as single entity, but I expect that this management as single entity will be reflected in G.798 and G.874.1. There is still a discussion necessary which of the entities shown in the G.872 model presented by Xihua map into the G.798 equipment termination and adaptation atomic functions and then into G.874.1 TTP and CTP managed objects. I have illustrated two alternative groupings in the figures below. I assume that the GMPLS extension however is agnostic to these alternatives. In the equipment functional model in G.798 I expect that we will have just the following atomic functions OCh/OTUCn_A, OChAG_TT (or simply OCh_TT) and OMSn/OCh_A and in the information model I expect that we will have the managed objects OTUCn CTP, OChAG TTP (or simply OCh TTP) and OCh CTP. This to describe that the various entities inside the G.872 model are managed as one entity and that there are other processes (e.g. defect correlation and consequent action) associated with the G.872 entities. There will be then one OCh_CI signal instance, which is mapped onto one or more frequency slots inside the OMSn/OCh_A function. In the information model this is reflected by means of the OCh TTP managed object connecting to the OCh CTP managed object. The OCh CTP managed object contains an attribute tributarySlotList, which holds the set of frequency slots that are occupied by the OCh_CI. See third figure below. Note that path computation needs to deal with the group of individual OTSi instances. Path computation should compute the path of the (multi-carrier) OCh_CI, and then check if the network media channel of each OTSi instance within the computed OCh network connection is able to provide the required performance. Regards, Maarten From: fu.xihua@zte.com.cn [mailto:fu.xihua@zte.com.cn] Sent: maandag 3 maart 2014 06:02 To: Fatai Zhang Cc: Daniele Ceccarelli; Iftekhar Hussain; Oscar González de Dios; Ramon Casellas; Zhangxian (Xian); Malcolm.BETTS@zte.com.cn; Maarten vissers Subject: Re: slides for draft-ietf-ccamp-flexi-grid-fwk-01 Hi All, May I suggest we have a face to face meeting before Thursday CCAMP session? One of important requirement is not described in current framework. A group of frequency slots which supports a Beyond 100G OTN signal are managed as an entity. ZTE has one contribution of the management model for G.872 in March ITU-T meeting. This has been discussed several time in Q11. I add Malcolm and Maarten into this list. I suggest we add this requirement into next version. Thanks, Xihua Fatai Zhang <zhangfatai@huawei.com> 2014-03-03 上午 04:28 收件人 Ramon Casellas <ramon.casellas@cttc.es>, "Zhangxian (Xian)" < zhang.xian@huawei.com>, Daniele Ceccarelli < daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>, Iftekhar Hussain <IHussain@infinera.com >, "fu.xihua@zte.com.cn" <fu.xihua@zte.com.cn> 抄送 Oscar González de Dios <ogondio@tid.es> 主题 答复: slides for draft-ietf-ccamp-flexi-grid-fwk-01 Hi Ramon, Pretty good. Thanks for your work. Thanks Fatai -----邮件原件----- 发件人: Ramon Casellas [mailto:ramon.casellas@cttc.es] 发送时间: 2014年2月27日 21:55 收件人: Fatai Zhang; Zhangxian (Xian); Daniele Ceccarelli; Iftekhar Hussain; fu.xihua@zte.com.cn 抄送: Oscar González de Dios 主题: slides for draft-ietf-ccamp-flexi-grid-fwk-01 Dear co-authors, Attached a first set of slides to be presented during the 10 min slot. Your comments are welcome. Looking forward to seeing you in London, R. PS: it would be a good opportunity to set another meeting as previously to go deeper into discussions -- Ramon Casellas, Ph.D. -- Senior Research Associate -- Networks Division Optical Networks and Systems Department -- http://wikiona.cttc.es CTTC - Centre Tecnològic de Telecomunicacions de Catalunya Parc Mediterrani de la Tecnologia (PMT) - Edifici B4 Av. Carl Friedrich Gauss, 7 - 08860 Castelldefels (Barcelona) - Spain Tel.: +34 93 645 29 00 ext 2168-- Fax. +34 93 645 29 01