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Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impairment-yang-00.txt

Huub van Helvoort <huubatwork@gmail.com> Mon, 22 October 2018 15:11 UTC

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Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impairment-yang-00.txt
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+1

Cheers, Huub.


On 22/10/2018 16:38, Leeyoung wrote:

Hi Daniele,

 

Option 1 sounds better to me.  Perhaps rename ‘Standard ITU’ with ‘G.698 application code’ and ‘non-standard’ with ‘vendor-specific’. Open-source specific is a part of vendor-specific category. Have you consulted Deborah on this issue? It would be good to know the direction of the WG on this issue.

 

Thanks,

Young

 

 

From: Jonas Mårtensson [mailto:jonas.martensson@ri.se]
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To: Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>; Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) <dieter.beller@nokia.com>; Leeyoung <leeyoung@huawei.com>; Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical &Microwave Technology Research Dept) <zhenghaomian@huawei.com>
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Subject: RE: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impairment-yang-00.txt

 

Out of curiosity, what or who decides what can be considered a “standard”?

 

/Jonas

 

From: Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>
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Subject: RE: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-lee-ccamp-wson-impairment-yang-00.txt

 

That’s a good proposal Jonas, we could go for a third branch called “open source” maybe. That’s something that can’t be considered standard, so I’m fine with both the options:

Option 1:

-          Standard ITU

-          Non standard

Option 2:

-          Standard ITU

-          Vendor specific

-          Open source specific.

 

Regarding the use cases that’s the first and I agree with that , but I understood there is also the willingness from operators to open up to scenarios in which transport from vendor A interworks with transponder from vendor B (over vendor A,B,C,D…)

 

BR
Daniele  

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