Re: [Cellar] Second AD review of draft-ietf-cellar-ebml-10

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Tue, 05 November 2019 22:12 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Cellar] Second AD review of draft-ietf-cellar-ebml-10
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Alexey Melnikov <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm> wrote:
    >> I'm not sure I understand the distinction between the two. The goal
    >> here is to inform creators of an EBML format that "matroska" and
    >> "webm" are known to be used elsewhere.

    > The draft reserves 2 names, which is fine. The question is who is going
    > to be authorized to change these reservations into proper
    > registrations.

I don't care what we write.
IANA said that the IESG was ultimately responsible, either by appointing an
Expert Reviewer, or by making the decision itself.

As "matroska" is within the CELLAR charter, and we will allocate that name to
the document, once the document is published (by Standards Action, which is a
superset of IESG Approval), then issue is **only** for "webm".

If a design team shows up and wants to say, "Here it the URL for a stable
WebM spec", then the IESG should have IANA update it's registry.
The question will be whether this is the right design team and the right URL,
will either be trivially obvious, or very difficult to determine.
I don't know if the IESG will find it any easier to appoint an Expert.

(Asking the CELLAR WG will be like asking the Bernie Sander's team about
whether it was right for Trump to go after Her Emails)

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Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
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