[Cellar] normative references

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Mon, 26 September 2022 18:17 UTC

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In the normative references, I see:

   [MatroskaCodec]
              Lhomme, S., Bunkus, M., and D. Rice, "Media Container
              Codec Specifications", Work in Progress, Internet-Draft,
              draft-ietf-cellar-codec-09, 12 April 2021,
              <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-cellar-
              codec-09>.

   [MatroskaTags]
              Lhomme, S., Bunkus, M., and D. Rice, "Matroska Media
              Container Tag Specifications", Work in Progress, Internet-
              Draft, draft-ietf-cellar-tags-09, 12 April 2021,
              <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-cellar-
              tags-09>.


This will cause the document to stall at MIS-REF until we finish those
documents.   Do they need to be *normative*?  Could I implement an encoder or
decoder without reading those documents?

Also, I wonder if the AES (FIPS.197), TwoFish, WebMEncryption,  need to be
normative references?



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