Re: [Cellar] Agenda posted for upcoming virtual interim meeting
Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> Mon, 24 February 2020 19:42 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Cellar] Agenda posted for upcoming virtual interim meeting
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Hi, Steve, On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 4:56 AM Steve Lhomme <slhomme@matroska.org> wrote: > I will be traveling so there's a high chance I will not be able to attend > the meeting. > Thank you for letting us know, and please travel safely. Best, Spencer > > On 18 Feb 2020, at 19:48, Spencer Dawkins at IETF < > spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > > > This is what I've just uploaded to the datatracker, at > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2020-cellar-02-cellar-01/. > > CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting > feburary 25, 2020 21:00 Amsterdam *** > 19:00 UTC > 15:00 NYC > 12:00 San Francisco > > INFO: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2020-cellar-02/session/cellar > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2020-cellar-02-cellar-01/ > > WEB CONFERENCE: > https://whereby.com/cellar-interim > THERE IS NO TELEPHONE DIALIN (You can try this at any time.) > These notes at: https://github.com/cellar-wg/chair-notes > > 1. Note Well. https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ > 2. Accept draft minutes from January 28 meeting (attached below) > > 3. Logistics for Meeting. > 2a) Etherpad for notes > > https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/notes-cellar-virtual?useMonospaceFont=true > > 2b) APPEAR.IN is now called "whereby.com" > https://whereby.com/cellar-interim > > 2c) Roll call > > 4. WG status update > * EBML -- version 17 was posted 2020-01-27 > IESG approved it, and it is now in RFC-editor queue.. > IANA has reviewed it, created registries. > Guestimate is that RFC-editor will complete work by end of > March, maybe sooner. > > * FFV1 -- version 12 was posted 2020-01-28, AD waiting for our > revisions. > > 5. FFV1 issues. > > 6. Work on Matroska issues. > > ---- PREVIOUS NOTES > > CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting > January 28, 2020 19:00 UTC > 21:00 Amsterdam > 15:00 NYC > 12:00 San Francisco > > PRESENT: > 1. Michael Richardson > 1. Spencer Dawkins > 1. Steve Lhomme > 1. Michael Niedermayer > 1. Jerome Martinez > 1. Dave Rice > 7. Martin Below > > REGRETS: > * > > INFO: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2020-cellar-01/session/cellar > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2020-cellar-01-cellar-01/ > > WEB CONFERENCE: > https://whereby.com/cellar-interim > THERE IS NO TELEPHONE DIALIN (You can try this at any time.) > These notes at: https://github.com/cellar-wg/chair-notes > > 1. Note Well. https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ > 2. Accept draft minutes from December 10 meeting (attached below) > no objections or changes noted. > > 3. Logistics for Meeting. > 2a) Etherpad for notes > > https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/notes-cellar-virtual?useMonospaceFont=true > > 2b) APPEAR.IN is now called "whereby.com" > https://whereby.com/cellar-interim > > 2c) Roll call > > 4. Welcome to Spencer Dawkins. > > 5. WG status update > * EBML -- version 17 was posted 2020-01-27 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cellar-ebml/writeup/ > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cellar-ebml/ballot/ > > -17 believed to address all DISCUSS comments now. > > * FFV1 -- version 12 was posted 2020-1-28.. Going to Adam Roach > responsible AD > doing review. > > - some issues made. Work is half-done. > - Jerome will take the next move to close some of the To do items. > > 6. Work on Matroska issues. > > ** Start New Chapters Pull Request. > -> Conclusion that splitting chapters off into new document is not worth > the > effort. > > *** does not validate yet, but working on it. More Text to explain what > Chapters do. *** pull request was too big, and has been split off into > smaller > chunks to absorb. > > Discussion: do we need some diagrams, etc. for the next meeting? > No: just go through some issues and deal with some concrete pull requests. > Updated, issue #354, that was lingering for some time because of EBML path > format, which is now clear in -17 of EBML, so now we can merge it. It > changes > half of the lines in the document, so need to do this now. > > 7. Any other business. > > Next meeting: 2020-02-25. > > ---- PREVIOUS NOTES > > CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting > December 10, 2019 19:00 UTC > 21:00 Amsterdam > 15:00 NYC > 12:00 San Francisco > > REGRETS: > 1) Reto Kromer > > PRESENT: > 1) Michael Richardson > 2) Benjamin Turkus > 3) Dave Rice > 4) Martin Below > 5) Michael Niedermayer > 6) Peter Bubestinger > 7) Steve Lhomme > 8) Jerome Martinez > 9) Dante Bromkovsky > > INFO: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-cellar-10/session/cellar > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2019-cellar-10-sessa/ > > WEB CONFERENCE: > https://whereby.com/cellar-interim > THERE IS NO TELEPHONE DIALIN (You can try this at any time.) > These notes at: https://github.com/cellar-wg/chair-notes > > 1. Note Well. https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ > 2. Accept draft minutes from October 22 meeting (attached below) > no objections or changes noted. > > 3. Logistics for Meeting. > 2a) Etherpad for notes > > https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/notes-cellar-virtual?useMonospaceFont=true > > 2b) APPEAR.IN is not called "whereby.com" > https://whereby.com/cellar-interim > > 2c) Roll call > > 4. Establish meeting schedule for 2020! > Fourth tuesday of the month. Starting January 28, 2020. > No meeting in July. > September meeting might be 22nd, at conference "No Time to Wait". (web > page for the last one: https://mediaarea.net/NoTimeToWait4 , in > Amsterdam > 2020 September) November meeting moved to Tuesday, December 1. > > 5. WG status update > * EBML -- version 14 was posted 2019-12-02, on IESG telechat for > 2019-12-05 > --- deferred as document was too long for some IESG membes > to > get a handle on > * FFV1 -- version 11 was posted 2019-10-23, waiting for AD writeup. > > Dave Rice reports that changes that occured today was as a result of a > review; > some figures and tables are now cross-referenced more clearly. The same was > done to ffv1. Some help is needed to get appropriate captions on the > tables. > Robert Sparks asks that new versions not be updated until there are > replies and > instructions. ACTION: MCR to followup with Robert Sparks on IANA issue. > -> EBML is a "general purpose audio/video container" Steve to fix #304. > > 6. Work on Matroska issues. > > Split the main Matroska document to take the Chapters in another document? > Only elements required for proper playback should be in the main document. > Document 166 pages today. > Chapters is 6 pages, section 11. --- but the section is not finished. > Core document 9.3.4 "Tracks" is pages 45->106. > > MCR: hears support for splitting the chapter off, but asks if there is > really > that much savings. Steve: we could make the document smaller by grouping > things > that have only one parent or one child, with some better transformation of > the > formatting. > > The chapters section is not finished, and there are lot of incomplete > sections > which will make the section significantly larger, and so splitting it off > into > another document may still be justified. It makes no sense to work on it > now, > but make the split off now. Steve will give it a try and see what the > savings > is, and if we have a lot references that break, but does not think that > this is > the case. Dave Rice is hesistant, not sure he sees enough of an advantage. > Tags > and Meta-data are developed asynchronously, but the chapters are not going > to > evolve in place. This issue will be deferred. > > Peter B: > ffv1 support in davinci / black-magic. Would rather do this after > the > document is published. What is status? did Derek's feedback about > the > implementation in GO make it back into the document. DR: Yes, this > went > back into the document about three months ago. This resulted in a > few > issues being created, and the review was very helpful. > > Noting that there are three decoders: ffmpeg, Derek-GO, and Jerome's > decoder > > 7. Any other business. > > 7.1 Side Data Format for MKV > Benjamin: side data format for MKV! > Dave Rice: it is merged into Matroska, can add side data to frames. > Three competing things how to encode time code into the file. > Related > discussion at > > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/cellar/?q=matroska%20and%20side%20data%20vs%20timecode > . > 1) use side data. A debated proposal is at > https://github.com/cellar-wg/matroska-specification/pull/348. > (needsd > to mentioned in main document) A sample of matroska with side data > timecode is at > https://github.com/Matroska-Org/matroska-test-files/pull/5. 2) > meta-data tag or segment info(needs to be in main document) 3) > seperate > track (codec-like document) > > NEXT meeting is 2020-01-28, > > _______________________________________________ > Cellar mailing list > Cellar@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cellar > >
- [Cellar] Agenda posted for upcoming virtual inter… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
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