[Cellar] Minutes from 2022-05-24 Virtual Meeting

[Spencer Dawkins at IETF <[e-mail]>]

Here's what I've got:

CELLAR – DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting
DateTimeLocal Times
2022-05-23 21:00 Amsterdam Time Converter
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Note Meeting time is anchored to Amsterdam
<https://notes.ietf.org/#Administrivia0>Administrivia
<https://notes.ietf.org/#INFO0>INFO:

https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2022-04
Note that we’re now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here
<https://notes.ietf.org/#WEB-CONFERENCE0>WEB CONFERENCE:

https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?short=266c33d6-b629-49e1-963c-5da4befba1ca

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Shared-HedgeDoc-for-notetaking>Shared HedgeDoc for
notetaking

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<https://notes.ietf.org/#Logistics-for-Meeting0>Logistics for Meeting
<https://notes.ietf.org/#2022-virtual-interim-meeting-dates0>2022 virtual
interim meeting dates

   - Please note our 2022 dates listed at
   https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Agenda-Items0>Agenda Items
<https://notes.ietf.org/#Note-Well-httpswwwietforgaboutnote-well0>Note
Well: https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/
<https://notes.ietf.org/#Roll-call0>Roll call

Attendees

   - Spencer Dawkins
   - Steve Lhomme
   - Michael Richardson
   - Martijn van Beurden
   - Michael Niedermayer

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Accept-draft-minutes-from-previous-meeting-attached-below0>Accept
draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below)

   - Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list.
   *** no comments, some actions to review.
   *** No objections.

<https://notes.ietf.org/#WG-status-update0>WG status update

   - draft-ietf-cellar-codec-09 was posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists
   - draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-18 was posted 2021-11-27, in ID Exists needs
   updating.
   - draft-ietf-cellar-flac-03 was posted 2022-04-24, in ID Exists
   - draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-10 was posted 2022-04-30, in WG Consensus:
   Waiting for Write-Up, and is has been updated after WGLC.
   - draft-ietf-cellar-tags-09 was posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists
   - draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-01 posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists
   - draft-ietf-cellar-control-01 was posted 2022-05-01, in ID Exists

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Milestone-review0>Milestone review:

   - done last time.
   - FLAC - will not make July 2022 milestone. What is realistic update for
   milestone?

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Discussion-on-the-call0>Discussion on the call

   - ffv1 is close expiry (31 May 2022) , so someone needs to take on
   renewing it.
   - NoTimeToWait 2022 might be October 26-28, 2022.
   - cellar-tags will now get some attention from Steve.

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Matroska-issues---Discussion-on-the-call0>Matroska
issues - Discussion on the call

   - WGLC has ended, and new version -10 has been posted.
   - Spencer or Michael to be document shepherd, and pass it on to AD for
   review.
      - Now in WG Consensus: Waiting for Write-Up.

<https://notes.ietf.org/#FLAC-issues---Discussion-on-the-call0>FLAC issues
- Discussion on the call

   - Document now being led by Martijn van Beurden, seems to be making
   significant progress.
   - Jerome posted issue that we should include container mappings,
   specifically for Ogg. For Matroska can just refer to Matroska ID. But, not
   sure about mp4. Needs help determining whether MP4 should be addressed in
   the document.
   - https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/flac-specification/issues/112
   - The registry we’re talking about is for MP4, not from IANA.
   - Container mappings could be their own documents, don’t have to have be
   part of the base FLAC specification.
   - Martjin will reach out to Apple and ask what they want to allocate an
   MP4 container number for FLAC, cc: MCR. It would be best if we could list
   the MP4 container identifier for FLAC in the RFC, before it is published,
   or at worst, during AUTH48.
   -

<https://notes.ietf.org/#FFV1-v4-issues---Discussion-on-the-call0>FFV1 v4
issues - Discussion on the call

   - maybe focus of June call.

<https://notes.ietf.org/#AOB0>AOB?

   - Next meeting is 2022-06-28 - we skip July

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Previous-Minutes---CELLAR-%E2%80%93-DRAFT-AGENDA-for-Virtual-Interim-Meeting>Previous
Minutes - CELLAR – DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting
DateTimeLocal Times
2022-04-26 21:00 Amsterdam Time Converter
<https://savvytime.com/converter/netherlands-amsterdam-to-utc-ny-new-york-city-ca-san-francisco/jun-22-2021/9pm>
Note Meeting time is anchored to Amsterdam
<https://notes.ietf.org/#Administrivia>Administrivia
<https://notes.ietf.org/#INFO>INFO:

https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2022-04
Note that we’re now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here
<https://notes.ietf.org/#WEB-CONFERENCE>WEB CONFERENCE:

https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?short=d3981c84-7f33-44b4-a2f1-00172021a2a4

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Shared-HedgeDoc-for-notetaking1>Shared HedgeDoc
for notetaking

Now using the Datatracker assigned notepad
at:https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2022-cellar-04-cellar?view


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   Note that if you log in to the IETF datatracker, you’ll be able to edit
   these notes, add your name to attendee lists, etc.
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   Please ask Michael or Spencer if you have questions.

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Logistics-for-Meeting>Logistics for Meeting
<https://notes.ietf.org/#2022-virtual-interim-meeting-dates>2022 virtual
interim meeting dates

   - Please note our 2022 dates listed at
   https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Agenda-Items>Agenda Items
<https://notes.ietf.org/#Note-Well-httpswwwietforgaboutnote-well>Note Well:
https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ <https://notes.ietf.org/#Roll-call>Roll
call

Attendees

   - Spencer Dawkins
   - Steve Lhomme
   - Dave Rice
   - Michael Richardson
   - Michael Niedermayer
   - Jérôme Martinez

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Accept-draft-minutes-from-previous-meeting-attached-below>Accept
draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below)

   - Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list.
   *** no comments, some actions to review.

<https://notes.ietf.org/#WG-status-update>WG status update

   - draft-ietf-cellar-codec-08 was posted 2022-03-29, in ID Exists
   - draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-18 was posted 2021-11-27, in ID Exists
   - draft-ietf-cellar-flac-03 was posted 2022-04-24, in ID Exists, by
   Martijn van Beurden
   - draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-09 was posted 2022-03-29, in ID Exists, and
   is in WGLC, ending 2022-04-27. Please publish -10 at the end of the WGLC.
   - draft-ietf-cellar-tags-08 was posted 2022-03-29, in ID Exists
   - draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-00 expired. ACTION: repost by Steve.
   - draft-ietf-cellar-control-00 expired. ACTION: repost by Steve.

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Milestone-review>Milestone review:

   - done last time.

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Discussion-on-the-call>Discussion on the call

   - OLD BUSINESS?
   ** Dave who had requested Matroska user history question:
   ** Could be that there is nothing to add, but it could be just needing a
   convention.
   ** Steve suggests it does not need to be in base spec
   ** issue number: asdfadsf
   ** Reference email from Steve:
   https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cellar/PLmhz2GPGulccPO2i5jnT9fw0GA/
   -

<https://notes.ietf.org/#Matroska-issues---Discussion-on-the-call>Matroska
issues - Discussion on the call

   - WGLC ends “tomorrow”, 2022-04-27. New version -10 to be posted.
   - Spencer or Michael to document shepherd, and pass it on to AD for
   review.
   -

<https://notes.ietf.org/#FLAC-issues---Discussion-on-the-call>FLAC issues -
Discussion on the call

   - Document now being led by Martijn van Beurden, seems to be making
   significant progress.
   - Resolved the entire copyleft issues.
   - Michael led a moment of appreciation for Martijn taking the editor
   role on this document.

<https://notes.ietf.org/#FFV1-v4-issues---Discussion-on-the-call>FFV1 v4
issues - Discussion on the call

   - still discussing new features… no changes since last time.
   - trying to have a GPU-friendly version of ffv1, checking the
   bottlenecks from v3, to be fixed in v4.
   *** waiting for running code!

<https://notes.ietf.org/#AOB>AOB?

   - meeting ended at 00:32.