[Cellar] Embrarassingly llate Agenda for today's Virtual Interim Meeting
Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> Tue, 06 December 2022 17:48 UTC
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Subject: [Cellar] Embrarassingly llate Agenda for today's Virtual Interim Meeting
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Dear Cellar, My apologies for not posting this agenda previously - you can shame me on the call. The agenda is also available at https://notes.ietf.org/#CELLAR-%E2%80%93-DRAFT-AGENDA-for-Virtual-Interim-Meeting0 . Talk to you all in about two hours. Best, The Late Spencer Dawkins CELLAR – DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting DateTimeLocal Times 2022-12-06 21:00 Amsterdam Time Converter <https://savvytime.com/converter/netherlands-amsterdam-to-utc-ny-new-york-city-ca-san-francisco/jun-22-2021/9pm> Note Meeting time is anchored to Amsterdam <https://notes.ietf.org/#Administrivia>Administrivia <https://notes.ietf.org/#INFO>INFO: https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2022-10 Note that we’re now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here <https://notes.ietf.org/#MEETING-INFO-and-WEB-CONFERENCE>MEETING INFO and WEB CONFERENCE: info: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2022-cellar-10/session/cellar https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?short=3f7f07f9-31be-4620-88b4-00dd130b8582 note that chat is now Zulip: https://zulip.ietf.org/login/#narrow/stream/cellar but is accessible via meetecho interface. <https://notes.ietf.org/#Shared-HedgeDoc-for-notetaking>Shared HedgeDoc for notetaking Now using the Datatracker assigned notepad at:https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2022-cellar-10-cellar - Note that if you log in to the IETF datatracker, you’ll be able to edit/clarify/correct these notes, add your name to attendee lists, etc. - Please ask Michael or Spencer if you have questions. <https://notes.ietf.org/#2023-virtual-interim-meeting-dates>2023 virtual interim meeting dates - When approved, our 2023 dates will be listed at https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/ <https://notes.ietf.org/#Agenda-Items>Agenda Items <https://notes.ietf.org/#Note-Well-httpswwwietforgaboutnote-well>Note Well: https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ <https://notes.ietf.org/#Roll-call>Roll call Attendees - Spencer Dawkins - Regrets * <https://notes.ietf.org/#Accept-draft-minutes-from-previous-meeting-attached-below>Accept draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below) - Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list. <https://notes.ietf.org/#Agree-on-proposed-2023-meeting-dates>Agree on proposed 2023 meeting dates - Sent to mailing list on 2022-11-29 - Two date errors (thank you, Martijn van Beurden, for corrections), but these didn’t change the possible conflicts - Current plan is that we move our March meeting to April 4, cancel our July meeting, move our November meeting to 2023-12-05, and cancel our December meeting - Steve Lhomme said “looks good to me” - Any other considerations before we send these to the secretariat? - (Do we know of any plans for an in-person NTTW in 2023?) 4th TuesdayMonthDoes this date make sense for us?If not, what do we do instead? 2023-01-24 JAN 2023-02-28 FEB 2023-03-28 MAR IETF 116 is 2023-03-25 to 2023-03-31 Schedule for April 4 instead 2023-04-25 APR Easter is 2023-04-09 2023-05-23 MAY 2023-06-28 JUN 2023-07-25 JUL IETF 117 is 2023-07-22 to 2023-07-28 cancel 2023-08-22 AUG 2023-09-26 SEP 2023-10-24 OCT 2023-11-28 NOV IETF 118 is 2023-11-04 to 2023-11-10, US Thanksgiving is 2023-11-23 Schedule for Dec 5 instead 2023-12-26 DEC Christmas Eve cancel <https://notes.ietf.org/#WG-status-update>WG status update - draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-02 posted 2022-12-04, in ID Exists - draft-ietf-cellar-codec-10 was posted 2022-12-04, in ID Exists - draft-ietf-cellar-control-02 was posted 2022-12-04, in ID Exists - draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-20 was posted 2022-12-05, in ID Exists - draft-ietf-cellar-flac-07 was posted 2022-10-23, in ID Exists - ***draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-14 was posted 2022-10-01, in AD Evaluation. - draft-ietf-cellar-tags-10 was posted 2022-12-04, in ID Exists <https://notes.ietf.org/#Milestone-review>Milestone review: - MATROSKA - We are waiting for Murray’s AD evaluation of this draft. - FLAC - Has completed WGLC. We are waiting on Spencer’s Shepherd Write-up of this draft. - Thanks for posting updates of all of our working group drafts. - What are we focusing on next, now that Matroska and FLAC are leaving the working group? - <https://notes.ietf.org/#From-Steve-Lhomme---are-we-ready-for-a-document-that-handles-EBML-errata>From Steve Lhomme - are we ready for a document that handles EBML errata? - Submitted errata are here <https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=8794&rec_status=15&presentation=records> . - We have 9 reported errata, including 6 technical. - We have proposed text for all 9 errata. - Question from Chris Smiley at RFC-Editor: “If you decide to verify EID 7192 (sent in a previous message on 11/01/22), should EID 7193 be combined with it?” - <https://notes.ietf.org/#Debrief-on-In-person-meeting>Debrief on In-person meeting October 28, 1200UTC, The Hague. details: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2022-cellar-11/session/cellar https://www.digitalmeetsculture.net/article/no-time-to-wait-conference/ - Is this a good thing to do, if there are future NTTW conferences? - <https://notes.ietf.org/#Matroska-issues---Discussion-on-the-call>Matroska issues - Discussion on the call. - We are waiting for Murray’s AD evaluation of this draft. <https://notes.ietf.org/#FLAC-issues---Discussion-on-the-call>FLAC issues - Discussion on the call - Has completed WGLC. We are waiting on Spencer’s Shepherd Write-up of this draft. <https://notes.ietf.org/#FFV1-v4-issues---Discussion-on-the-call>FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call - <https://notes.ietf.org/#AOB>AOB? - - Next meeting is 2023-01-24, if approved by our AD <https://notes.ietf.org/#Previous-Minutes---CELLAR-%E2%80%93-DRAFT-AGENDA-for-Virtual-Interim-Meeting>Previous Minutes - CELLAR – DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting <https://notes.ietf.org/#CELLAR-%E2%80%93-DRAFT-AGENDA-for-Virtual-Interim-Meeting>CELLAR – DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting DateTimeLocal Times 2022-10-28 14:00 Amsterdam Time Converter <https://savvytime.com/converter/netherlands-amsterdam-to-utc-ny-new-york-city-ca-san-francisco/jun-22-2021/9pm> Note Meeting time is anchored to Amsterdam <https://notes.ietf.org/#Administrivia1>Administrivia THIS MEETING is IN PERSON, at No Time To Wait. Due to scheduling it got chopped down to 30 minutes. <https://notes.ietf.org/#INFO1>INFO: https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2022-m11 Note that we’re now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here <https://notes.ietf.org/#MEETING-INFO-and-WEB-CONFERENCE1>MEETING INFO and WEB CONFERENCE: info: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2022-cellar-11/session/cellar https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?short=69cac44e-ccb6-4fe7-865b-e27bcfcdfc4f note that chat is now Zulip: https://zulip.ietf.org/login/#narrow/stream/cellar but is accessible via meetecho interface. <https://notes.ietf.org/#Shared-HedgeDoc-for-notetaking1>Shared HedgeDoc for notetaking Now using the Datatracker assigned notepad at: https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2022-cellar-11-cellar - Note that if you log in to the IETF datatracker, you’ll be able to edit/clarify/correct these notes, add your name to attendee lists, etc. - Please ask Michael or Spencer if you have questions. <https://notes.ietf.org/#2022-virtual-interim-meeting-dates>2022 virtual interim meeting dates - Please note our 2022 dates listed at https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/ <https://notes.ietf.org/#Agenda-Items1>Agenda Items <https://notes.ietf.org/#Intro-to-IETF>Intro to IETF <https://notes.ietf.org/#Intro-to-CELLAR>Intro to CELLAR <https://notes.ietf.org/#Note-Well-httpswwwietforgaboutnote-well1>Note Well: https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ <https://notes.ietf.org/#Roll-call1>Roll call Attendees - Michael Richardson - Jérôme Martinez - Dave Rice - Steve Lhomme - Martijn van Beurden - all of nttw Regrets * <https://notes.ietf.org/#Accept-draft-minutes-from-previous-meeting-attached-below1>Accept draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below) - Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list. - no <https://notes.ietf.org/#WG-status-update1>WG status update - draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-01 posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists - draft-ietf-cellar-codec-09 was posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists - draft-ietf-cellar-control-01 was posted 2022-05-01, in ID Exists - draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-19 was posted 2022-05-31, in ID Exists - draft-ietf-cellar-flac-04 was posted 2022-08-21, in ID Exists - draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-14 was posted 2022-10-01, submitter to iesg for publication - draft-ietf-cellar-tags-09 was posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists <https://notes.ietf.org/#Milestone-review1>Milestone review: - FLAC - did not make July 2022 milestone. What is realistic update for milestone? ** revised document posted… ready for shepherd write up, and AD review ** FLAC was developed in 2001, and we had a document, but a lot of details were missing, and now we a fully detailed document, and you don’t have to read source code. ** document became 4x as big, and it has come a long way ** <https://notes.ietf.org/#Matroska-issues---Discussion-of-shepherd-writeup-from-Michael-on-the-call1>Matroska issues - Discussion of shepherd writeup from Michael <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cellar/hoyvAqjTxYNpQHdGU59TQXLEbRI/> on the call. - document has been handed to AD for AD-writeup - <https://notes.ietf.org/#Matroska-Codec-issues---IANA-Considerations>Matroska Codec issues - IANA Considerations - ATRAC/1 was added to preserve Sony MiniDisc in their original format https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/681 - Issue about IANA for codecs: https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/issues/485 <https://notes.ietf.org/#FLAC-issues---Discussion-on-the-call1>FLAC issues - Discussion on the call - <https://notes.ietf.org/#FFV1-v4-issues---Discussion-on-the-call1>FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call * <https://notes.ietf.org/#EBML-Errata>EBML Errata * EBML changes/specifications ** 8 errata to add to document! ** Now that Matroska is in the pipe. ** sending via https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_report.php <https://notes.ietf.org/#AOB1>AOB? - Next meeting is 2022-12-06.
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