Re: [certid] Why require EKU for certid?
Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Thu, 30 September 2010 18:59 UTC
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Subject: Re: [certid] Why require EKU for certid?
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On 9/29/10 9:24 PM, Martin Rex wrote: > Paul Hoffman wrote: >> >> At 1:20 AM +0200 9/30/10, Stefan Santesson wrote: >> >>> Absent this check, the domain name may violate name constraints and you >>> would never know. This is the most important point. >> >> If the TLS client is doing full certificate path validation, the >> certificate cannot violate name constraints. That is quite different >> than what you just said. > > As defined by PKIX, name constraints defined for dNSName SANs do not > apply to directoryNames such as a certificate subject. > > Some people are trying to artificially redefine the semantics of > name constraints to ensure business models of CAs coming preconfigured > as trusted with the software. They're asking TLS clients for a gruesome > breach of the PKIX name constraints architecture to "protect" against > CAs from evading "dNSName SAN name constraints" imposed by their > superiorCAs by issuing server certs without dNSName SANs > (and CN-IDs instead, to which dNSName SAN name constraints do no apply). > > I think it is an extremely bad idea to increase the complexity of > CN-ID server-id-check semantics, which have been deprecated 10 years ago, > by the order of a magnitude -- in particular in a BCP document, > because most of the installed base does not work that way and > a huge part of them is quite unlikely to ever adopt such weird > CN-ID semantics. Agreed. As I see it, the Common Name is just a series of characters. Sometimes that series happens to contain one or more instances of the "." character, arrayed in a way that leads people to interpret the series of characters as a DNS domain name. That doesn't mean that it's sensible to take the PKIX name constraints that have been defined for the dNSName SAN and apply those constraints to a series of characters that happens to look like and be interpreted as a DNS domain name. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/
- [certid] Fwd: Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serv… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Stefan Santesson
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… James Schaad
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Stefan Santesson
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Stefan Santesson
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Shumon Huque
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Shumon Huque
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Stefan Santesson
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Stefan Santesson
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Shumon Huque
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Stefan Santesson
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Shumon Huque
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Shumon Huque
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Richard L. Barnes
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Dave Cridland
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Martin Rex
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Stefan Santesson
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Stefan Santesson
- Re: [certid] [TLS] Review of draft-saintandre-tls… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Dave Cridland
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Dave Cridland
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Dave Cridland
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Stefan Santesson
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] [TLS] Review of draft-saintandre-tls… James Schaad
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Stefan Santesson
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Stefan Santesson
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Dave Cridland
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Shumon Huque
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Dave Cridland
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- [certid] Why require EKU for certid? Paul Hoffman
- Re: [certid] Why require EKU for certid? Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] [TLS] Why require EKU for certid? Jim Schaad
- Re: [certid] Why require EKU for certid? Martin Rex
- Re: [certid] Why require EKU for certid? Henry B. Hotz
- [certid] CN-ID and name constraints Matt McCutchen
- Re: [certid] CN-ID and name constraints Martin Rex
- Re: [certid] CN-ID and name constraints Matt McCutchen
- Re: [certid] CN-ID and name constraints Martin Rex
- Re: [certid] CN-ID and name constraints Matt McCutchen
- Re: [certid] CN-ID and name constraints (oops) Matt McCutchen
- Re: [certid] CN-ID and name constraints Matt McCutchen
- Re: [certid] Why require EKU for certid? Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] CN-ID and name constraints Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] CN-ID and name constraints Jim Schaad
- Re: [certid] Why require EKU for certid? Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Why require EKU for certid? Paul Hoffman
- Re: [certid] Why require EKU for certid? Stefan Santesson
- Re: [certid] Why require EKU for certid? Paul Hoffman
- Re: [certid] Why require EKU for certid? Martin Rex
- Re: [certid] Why require EKU for certid? Stefan Santesson
- Re: [certid] Why require EKU for certid? Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Why require EKU for certid? Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] CN-ID and name constraints Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] CN-ID and name constraints Jim Schaad
- Re: [certid] CN-ID and name constraints Carl Wallace