Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-server-id-check
Stefan Santesson <stefan@aaa-sec.com> Thu, 09 September 2010 20:56 UTC
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Subject: Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-server-id-check
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Shumon, On 10-09-09 10:08 PM, "Shumon Huque" <shuque@isc.upenn.edu> wrote: >> PKI enabled clients in general are used to check numerous of name forms and >> attributes in order to determine a match. > > Can you give us some examples of such applications, and where > their subject identity matching rules are specified? Appendix > A ("Prior Art") probably should consider them. Right now I have none that is applicable to the listed protocols. So I don't think I have an example that is suitable for this annex. But in general many government services using PKI are comparing multiple attributes. Many national PKIs in Europe have banned single identifiers in their certs, so the applications are forced to do multiple attribute comparisons. The thing is that name comparison is often done on an application level according to local policy and even on the user level and the only thing I have learned after spending 18 years with PKI is to expect almost anything :) In this context, EKUs are often also an important part of certificate acceptance. A dimension that I miss in the current spec. I don't think it is particularly useful to specify in generic documents what constitutes a positive identification of the subject in terms or required matching name forms. It becomes useful mostly only when you want to achieve interoperability within a reasonably narrow context. /Stefan
- [certid] Fwd: Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serv… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Stefan Santesson
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… James Schaad
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Stefan Santesson
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Stefan Santesson
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Shumon Huque
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Shumon Huque
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Stefan Santesson
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Stefan Santesson
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Shumon Huque
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Stefan Santesson
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Shumon Huque
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Shumon Huque
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Richard L. Barnes
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Dave Cridland
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Martin Rex
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Stefan Santesson
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Stefan Santesson
- Re: [certid] [TLS] Review of draft-saintandre-tls… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Dave Cridland
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Dave Cridland
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Dave Cridland
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Stefan Santesson
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] [TLS] Review of draft-saintandre-tls… James Schaad
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Stefan Santesson
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Stefan Santesson
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Dave Cridland
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Shumon Huque
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Dave Cridland
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Review of draft-saintandre-tls-serve… Peter Saint-Andre
- [certid] Why require EKU for certid? Paul Hoffman
- Re: [certid] Why require EKU for certid? Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] [TLS] Why require EKU for certid? Jim Schaad
- Re: [certid] Why require EKU for certid? Martin Rex
- Re: [certid] Why require EKU for certid? Henry B. Hotz
- [certid] CN-ID and name constraints Matt McCutchen
- Re: [certid] CN-ID and name constraints Martin Rex
- Re: [certid] CN-ID and name constraints Matt McCutchen
- Re: [certid] CN-ID and name constraints Martin Rex
- Re: [certid] CN-ID and name constraints Matt McCutchen
- Re: [certid] CN-ID and name constraints (oops) Matt McCutchen
- Re: [certid] CN-ID and name constraints Matt McCutchen
- Re: [certid] Why require EKU for certid? Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] CN-ID and name constraints Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] CN-ID and name constraints Jim Schaad
- Re: [certid] Why require EKU for certid? Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Why require EKU for certid? Paul Hoffman
- Re: [certid] Why require EKU for certid? Stefan Santesson
- Re: [certid] Why require EKU for certid? Paul Hoffman
- Re: [certid] Why require EKU for certid? Martin Rex
- Re: [certid] Why require EKU for certid? Stefan Santesson
- Re: [certid] Why require EKU for certid? Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] Why require EKU for certid? Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] CN-ID and name constraints Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [certid] CN-ID and name constraints Jim Schaad
- Re: [certid] CN-ID and name constraints Carl Wallace