Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of draft-ladd-spake2 as a RG document)
Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz> Tue, 27 January 2015 11:45 UTC
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From: Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz>
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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of draft-ladd-spake2 as a RG document)
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Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> writes: >You didn't say why. Why is it a bad idea? What is the downside? The fact that it's one more piece of special-case code to add, debug, and test when we've already got perfectly-functional, debugged, and tested code, some of it in active use for twenty years or more, to do it present everywhere that uses bignums. (Another issue is that using a nonstandard form for representing the values is bound to cause interop problems in the future when the 25519 form is the opposite to what everything else does. Look at the mess that occurred during the AES competition with different endiannesses used in various algorithms, until the problems were pointed out at the second AES conference by someone who'd actually implemented things from the spec ("Implementation Experience with AES Candidate Algorithms") and NIST revised the requirements). If the "spec" for 25519 is going to be "the standard is to blindly do whatever djb's code does" then there's no need for a spec or any CFRG involvement, just provide a link to djb's code, since that'll be the spec. It's decent code, I'm not complaining about it, but the CFRG shouldn't be pretending to be setting any standard if it's just "do whatever this code happens to do". The code then becomes the spec. Peter.
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of … Dan Brown
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of … Peter Gutmann
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of … Alyssa Rowan
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of … Alyssa Rowan
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of … Michael Clark
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of … Michael Clark
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of … Watson Ladd
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of … Michael Clark
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of … Peter Gutmann
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of … Peter Gutmann
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of … Alyssa Rowan
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of … Peter Gutmann
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of … Salz, Rich
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian Derek Atkins
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian Salz, Rich
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian Derek Atkins
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian Derek Atkins
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian Blumenthal, Uri - 0558 - MITLL
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian Watson Ladd
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of … Dan Harkins
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of … Watson Ladd
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of … Andy Lutomirski
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of … Dan Harkins
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian Tony Arcieri
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of … Michael Clark
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian Damien Miller
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of … Watson Ladd
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of … D. J. Bernstein
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of … Dan Harkins
- Re: [Cfrg] Point format endian (was: Adoption of … Watson Ladd