Re: [CFRG] Please review draft-ietf-drip-rid

Robert Moskowitz <rgm-sec@htt-consult.com> Fri, 17 September 2021 21:20 UTC

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Subject: Re: [CFRG] Please review draft-ietf-drip-rid
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And just respond to the requested review of what I think is the best I 
can do within the RF constraints and currently available cryptography.

Thank you.

On 9/17/21 4:58 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
> On 17 Sep 2021, at 12:10, Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL wrote:
>
>> Acceptable as *new* designs? I'm not a spokesman for the US 
>> Government, but I doubt that.
>
> Then you seem to be doubting the NSA FAQ on quantum computing and 
> cryptanalysis. 
> https://media.defense.gov/2021/Aug/04/2002821837/-1/-1/1/Quantum_FAQs_20210804.PDF
>
>> Once NIST PQC publishes its first PQ standards (Jan 2022), we'll see 
>> if recommendations change then.
>
> This assumes that they are "standards", yet NIST has waffled mightily 
> about what the next step will be, particularly about authentication 
> mechanisms.
>
> Maybe we can cut this thread here? If any of us are not a spokesperson 
> for $ZZgovt, we should not immediately follow such statements with 
> suppositions about what $ZZgovt will do. Let's let them do that and 
> then we can respond.
>
> --Paul Hoffman
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