[Cfrg] Enough already!

Watson Ladd <watsonbladd@gmail.com> Tue, 27 January 2015 16:45 UTC

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Subject: [Cfrg] Enough already!
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Does anyone have any security objection to what's in the original TLS draft?

So why can't the TLS WG proceed with it?

Are we seriously going to spend another month (if we're lucky!)
arguing about endianness?

This is a catastrophe we should be sure not to repeat at higher
security levels by making rules and having a competition as opposed to
go play a game of Calvinball.

If we can't expeditiously answer basic questions in a reasonable
timeframe, people are going to avoid asking those questions. And they
are going to be worse off for it. The CFRG was sorely underutilized in
the past: I don't see any reason why a IETF WG would ask us anything

A month ago I accused the chairs of continuing the farce. That was too
nice: it's a full-blown fiasco now. And I don't see any plans to avoid
it in the future. A year later, and we have a starting point with
unspecified future changes being considered, and arguments that popped
up over that year, coming back to life.

Is there a definite time at which we will be well and truly done?

Watson Ladd