Re: [Cfrg] When TLS is an overkill...
"Stanislav V. Smyshlyaev" <smyshsv@gmail.com> Mon, 25 February 2019 16:04 UTC
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From: "Stanislav V. Smyshlyaev" <smyshsv@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 19:03:54 +0300
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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] When TLS is an overkill...
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Dear Max, Just a quick comment: have you had a chance to have a look at the protocol (also a SIGMA-based one) described in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-selander-ace-cose-ecdhe-11? It may not be the silver bullet but is definitely worth considering when thinking about such questions. Best regards, Stanislav пн, 25 февр. 2019 г. в 18:56, Dr. Pala <director@openca.org>: > Hi CFRG, > > I am working on some aspects about provisioning credentials and > authenticating devices and I noticed that sometimes people use TLS to > establish a secure channel with a server even when all they want to do > (i.e., no extra features/checks/etc.) could potentially be achieved in just > 2/3 messages. An example of this is EAP - whenever a secure channel needs > to be established, EAP-TLS, EAP-TTLS, EAP-TEAP, etc. must be supported to > tunnel the 2nd method that will be used for authentication. > > My question for the group is: if we were to use a "simple" way to > establish the secure channel, are there recommendations for what should be > in those messages ? What would be the minimum set of required data that > MUST be included in the exchange ? > > A rough example of such messages could be (A = Client, B = Server): > > - [A] { Supported Encryption Algorithms List, > Supported Key-Exchange Algorithms List, > Encryption Initialization Data, > MSG Authentication } -> [B] > > - [B] { Selected Encryption Algorithm and Params, > Selected Key-Exchange Algorithm and Params, > Key-Exchange Params (e.g., ECDHE), > (Optional) Credentials (e.g., Certificate Chain), > Encryption Initialization Data, > MSG Authentication } -> [A] > > - [A] { Selected Encryption Algorithm and Params, > Selected Key-Exchange Params (e.g., ECDHE), > Key-Exchange Params (e.g., ECDHE), > (Optional) My Credentials Encrypted (e.g., Certificate Chain), > MSG Authentication } -> [B] > > From now on, the two parties end up with a shared secret key and > agreed-upon encryption algorithm. > > In environments where the number of exchanged messages matter - EAP is a > great example of that - having a standardized method that provides the > possibility of establishing a secure communication channel very easily > would be great. After that, I think that either the TLS layer can kick in > and manage the encryption or other options might be used for the encryption > of the data itself (e.g., directly encrypting the data record by record). > > Looking forward to hearing from you, > > Cheers, > Max > > > -- > Best Regards, > Massimiliano Pala, Ph.D. > OpenCA Labs Director > [image: OpenCA Logo] > _______________________________________________ > Cfrg mailing list > Cfrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/cfrg >
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