Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-ladd-spake2 as a RG document

Watson Ladd <watsonbladd@gmail.com> Sun, 14 December 2014 22:42 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-ladd-spake2 as a RG document
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My apologies for the truncated reply.

On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Watson Ladd <watsonbladd@gmail.com>; wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Rene Struik <rstruik.ext@gmail.com>; wrote:
>> Dear Alexey:
>>
>> I am unhappy with this draft. Besides, I do not understand at all why the
>> CFRG co-Chairs choose to take this step (call for adoption of this draft, at
>> this specific moment in time) right now. What triggered this? This seems to
>> be a random move, at a random moment in time.

This is option 2, correct? You don't think we need another PAKE, at
all. Or is this Option 3: you think it is too immature to adopt as a
work item today?

This is in accordance with a previous plan, once it became clear that
there was a shortage of PAKE proposals that could be used with ECC and
that had security analyses. Dragonfly has been contentious precisely
because of it's 1990's style design: a heuristic modification to avoid
certain attacks The hope is that by using an already published design,
we will have a more secure protocol.

Sincerely,
Watson Ladd

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>>
>> I think it would be good if the CFRG leadership could explain its thinking.
>>
>> Best regards, Rene
>>
>> Charter
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>>
>> Rene
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/14/2014 11:41 AM, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> This message starts 3 weeks adoption call for draft-ladd-spake2. Please
>> reply to this message or directly to CFRG chairs, stating one of the
>> following
>>
>> 1) that you are happy to adopt the draft as a starting point
>> 2) that you are not happy to adopt this draft
>> or
>> 3) that you think the document needs more work before the RG should consider
>> adopting it
>>
>> While detailed document reviews are generally welcome, this not a call to
>> provide detailed comments on the document.
>>
>> Alexey,
>> On bahalf of CFRG chairs.
>>
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