[Cfrg] would it be a good idea for CFRG to try review algorithm documents?
Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Thu, 10 December 2015 01:38 UTC
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Hiya, The IESG has another of those conflict reviews on Dec 17. In this case I doubt there's a process conflict (see below for details) as this is documenting some more details of the GOST suite which, as a national algorithm suite, kind of just is what it is. But as a non-cryptographer, I'd be happier if in future things like this (or non-national "vanity" algorithm descriptions) had gotten some review from CFRG, however I'm not sure if folks here would be generally willing to do that kind of review. The reason I'd like review is so that we have a better idea of any issues or caveats or cautions when/if the proponents of such algorithms come calling at the IETF's door for code points to use their algorithm in TLS/IPsec or whatever. (Which they usually do do.) If this was done informally and we got prompt and good reviews I think that'd be a fine thing, but if we try formalise it, then we might end up with some tricky process issues. And I'm not sure if folks here would be willing to do such reviews or able to get them done when needed (there aren't too many drafts like this but they do come along now and then in a reasonably constant dribble). Thoughts welcome, Cheers, S. PS: I've cc'd Nevil who is the independent submissions editor. I do know there's some review done by folks before he sends such documents to the IESG for 5742 review, but I'm not sure if the kind of thing I'm asking about here is part of that. I do know there are more people on this list than on Nevil's review team though:-) -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [saag] another conflict review of some GOST stuff Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 01:16:31 +0000 From: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> To: saag@ietf.org <saag@ietf.org> Hiya, On Dec17, the IESG will also be doing the conflict review for a draft [1] that documents some more about using GOST algorithms. Since we've typically handled national algorithms in this manner (basic alg details are documented as independent submission stream RFCs) I think this one does not represent a conflict with ongoing IETF work or process. But if I'm wrong, please do let me know. Should someone want code points for using these algorithms in IETF protocols, that'd of course go through the normal consensus process. See RFC 5742 [2] for details of what this bit of process is about. If you have comments on the draft content then please send those to the authors and cc the independent submissions editor, Nevil Brownlee (rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org). Cheers, S. [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-smyshlyaev-gost-usage/ [2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5742 _______________________________________________ saag mailing list saag@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag
- [Cfrg] would it be a good idea for CFRG to try re… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Cfrg] would it be a good idea for CFRG to tr… Yoav Nir
- Re: [Cfrg] would it be a good idea for CFRG to tr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Cfrg] would it be a good idea for CFRG to tr… Björn Edström
- Re: [Cfrg] would it be a good idea for CFRG to tr… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [Cfrg] would it be a good idea for CFRG to tr… Valery Smyslov
- Re: [Cfrg] would it be a good idea for CFRG to tr… Jim Schaad
- Re: [Cfrg] [MASSMAIL] Re: would it be a good idea… Григорий Маршалко
- Re: [Cfrg] would it be a good idea for CFRG to tr… Nevil Brownlee
- Re: [Cfrg] would it be a good idea for CFRG to tr… Björn Edström
- Re: [Cfrg] would it be a good idea for CFRG to tr… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Cfrg] would it be a good idea for CFRG to tr… Björn Edström
- Re: [Cfrg] would it be a good idea for CFRG to tr… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [Cfrg] would it be a good idea for CFRG to tr… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [Cfrg] would it be a good idea for CFRG to tr… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Cfrg] would it be a good idea for CFRG to tr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Cfrg] would it be a good idea for CFRG to tr… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Cfrg] would it be a good idea for CFRG to tr… Tom Ritter
- Re: [Cfrg] would it be a good idea for CFRG to tr… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Cfrg] would it be a good idea for CFRG to tr… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
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- Re: [Cfrg] would it be a good idea for CFRG to tr… Simon Josefsson