Re: [Cfrg] CFRG Review Panel

Kyle Rose <> Sat, 15 October 2016 00:27 UTC

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From: Kyle Rose <>
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 20:27:08 -0400
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On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 8:04 PM, denis bider (Bitvise) <> wrote:

> It is perverse to manufacture the appearance of a non-existent diversity
> by attempting to discriminate, at this very late point in the process,
> against men.

Leaving aside the flamebait and politics...

I would like to think (and I strongly suspect!) that the process for
selection of this crew made no undue consideration for gender (or race,
ethnicity, etc.), and that selection was entirely with regard to merit,
within the constraint of self-selection. I don't think Rich was saying
otherwise: I read his lament as one of disappointment at the outcome, not
disappointment in the particular process. In other words: I think you read
too much into it.

Frankly, I agree with his oft-stated wider point that it's a disappointment
that there aren't more women (or people of color, or ...) involved in IETF:
in my case, not because I think there's a particular technical benefit to
having gender or ethnic diversity, but because it's a sign of a wider
social inequity that we, as leaders in a worldwide community, have a moral
responsibility to help address.