Re: [Cfrg] Response to the request to remove CFRG co-chair

On Fri, January 10, 2014 8:33 am, Watson Ladd wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 8:18 AM, Stephen Farrell
> <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:
>>
>> Trevor,
>>
>> Some responses below but I honestly think this exchange has
>> otherwise run its course.
>>
>> On 01/10/2014 03:35 AM, Trevor Perrin wrote:
>>> It's time
>>> for our leadership to summon their courage and take a stand.
>>
>> Taking a stand sounds lovely, but ineffective. I prefer that
>> we try to improve the Internet and harden it against pervasive
>> monitoring. If you think the IETF hasn't been working on that
>> then perhaps you need to pay more attention, for example, I
>> didn't notice any comment from you on the IETF LC for [1], nor
>> on the perpass list [2] since October, nor on the UTA list [3]
>> nor have I seen a submission from you for the upcoming IAB/W3C
>> workshop [4] on this topic that'll happen before IETF-89 (but
>> you do still have time for that last so why not shoot one in:-).
>>
>>    [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-farrell-perpass-attack
>>    [2] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/perpass
>>    [3] https://tools.ietf.org/wg/uta/charters
>>    [4] https://www.w3.org/2014/strint/
>
> And this has made mass surveillance harder how?

  It will; it is work in that direction. Defining the problem and getting
people to think about various solutions are the first step towards
actually reaching that goal.

  You should note that Lao-tzu didn't say that the journey of a
thousand miles begins by taking a fashionable stand or by rebuking
something. It starts with a step. That step has been made.

  Dan.