Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: time commitment to fix *production* security bugs for BLS RFC v4?
Michael Sierchio <kudzu@tenebras.com> Mon, 26 April 2021 18:43 UTC
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From: Michael Sierchio <kudzu@tenebras.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 11:42:44 -0700
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Subject: Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: time commitment to fix *production* security bugs for BLS RFC v4?
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On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 11:03 AM Kyle Rose <krose@krose.org> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 1:29 PM Phillip Hallam-Baker < > phill@hallambaker.com> wrote: > >> As a human being living on a planet threatened by environmental damage >> from CO2 emissions, I am strongly opposed to any IETF work to support any >> form of purported 'cryptocurrency' that relies on any form of 'proof of >> work' or 'proof of waste'. >> >> The electricity requirements of cryptocurrencies have been larger than >> that of entire countries. This is an experiment that it is time to stop. >> > > This massively overstates the impact of mining. > > Total worldwide energy use per year is ~160,000 TWh.[1] > The total worldwide consumption of energy in the form of electricity is 40,443 billion kWh / y. About 1/4 of the total.
- [CFRG] Escalation: time commitment to fix *produc… Quan Thoi Minh Nguyen
- Re: [CFRG] Escalation: time commitment to fix *pr… Riad S. Wahby
- Re: [CFRG] Escalation: time commitment to fix *pr… Quan Thoi Minh Nguyen
- Re: [CFRG] Escalation: time commitment to fix *pr… Loup Vaillant-David
- Re: [CFRG] Escalation: time commitment to fix *pr… Salz, Rich
- Re: [CFRG] Escalation: time commitment to fix *pr… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [CFRG] Escalation: time commitment to fix *pr… Quan Thoi Minh Nguyen
- [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: time… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Daniel Franke
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Kyle Rose
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Michael Sierchio
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Michael Sierchio
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Kyle Rose
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Michael Sierchio
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Mike Hamburg
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Mike Hamburg
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Thomas Dineen
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Thomas Dineen
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Thomas Dineen
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … denis bider
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Eric Rescorla
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … denis bider
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Soatok Dreamseeker
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … denis bider
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Nick Sullivan
- Re: [CFRG] Escalation: time commitment to fix *pr… Jeff Burdges