[Cfrg] Dragonfly has advantages -> was Re: Requesting removal of CFRG co-chair
Paul Lambert <paul@marvell.com> Sat, 04 January 2014 10:53 UTC
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From: Paul Lambert <paul@marvell.com>
To: Trevor Perrin <trevp@trevp.net>, David McGrew <mcgrew@cisco.com>
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 02:52:52 -0800
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Subject: [Cfrg] Dragonfly has advantages -> was Re: Requesting removal of CFRG co-chair
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On 1/3/14, 6:43 PM, "Trevor Perrin" <trevp@trevp.net> wrote: Trevor, > >But there's a bigger picture: Regardless of timing attacks, Dragonfly >is inferior to alternatives already standardized > No. The Dragonfly proposal was submitted by Dan as an IPR free contribution. This has considerable value and makes it implementable in consumer products. It is also closely related to other work adopted in commercial sytems and should be pursued as an RFC to ensure it¹s continued vetting. The discussion has resulted in mitigating risks. To date I have not seen any indication that the protocol is Œbroken¹. I agree that it has more complexity and message exchanges that other approaches. These other protocols have NOT been viable to ship in the products I build. >or found in the >literature. Please write an RFC then. > >This opinion was well-expressed on the TLS and CFRG mailing lists when >Dragonfly was proposed. This opinion was probably shared by many more >people than expressed it (like me), I believe that you have expressed your opinion 12 to 15 times on this mailing list about Dragonfly based on comments and analysis made by other knowledgeable individuals. Please let others speak for themselves. Paul > and was never adequately >addressed. By Dec 2012, I assume most people had tuned-out a >discussion about an non-useful protocol that was proceeding without >regard to group opinion. > > >Trevor >_______________________________________________ >Cfrg mailing list >Cfrg@irtf.org >http://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/cfrg
- Re: [Cfrg] Suggestion for open competition on PAK… Paul Hoffman
- [Cfrg] Dragonfly has advantages -> was Re: Reques… Paul Lambert
- [Cfrg] Suggestion for open competition on PAKE ->… Feng Hao
- Re: [Cfrg] Dragonfly has advantages -> was Re: Re… Feng Hao
- Re: [Cfrg] Suggestion for open competition on PAK… David McGrew
- Re: [Cfrg] Dragonfly has advantages -> was Re: Re… Trevor Perrin
- Re: [Cfrg] Suggestion for open competition on PAK… Trevor Perrin
- Re: [Cfrg] Suggestion for open competition on PAK… Feng Hao
- Re: [Cfrg] Suggestion for open competition on PAK… Feng Hao
- Re: [Cfrg] Suggestion for open competition on PAK… David Jacobson
- Re: [Cfrg] Suggestion for open competition on PAK… Watson Ladd
- Re: [Cfrg] Suggestion for open competition on PAK… Samuel Neves
- Re: [Cfrg] Suggestion for open competition on PAK… Dan Harkins
- Re: [Cfrg] Dragonfly has advantages Paul Lambert
- Re: [Cfrg] Dragonfly has advantages Feng Hao
- Re: [Cfrg] Dragonfly has advantages Paul Lambert
- Re: [Cfrg] Dragonfly has advantages Feng Hao