Re: [Cfrg] Help with the use of contexts
Ilari Liusvaara <ilariliusvaara@welho.com> Tue, 17 January 2017 23:22 UTC
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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 01:22:52 +0200
From: Ilari Liusvaara <ilariliusvaara@welho.com>
To: Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] Help with the use of contexts
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On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:41:54PM +0200, Yaron Sheffer wrote: > On 17/01/17 18:12, Adam Langley wrote: > >On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:31 AM, Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > >>Wide industry adoption of TLS 1.2 took around 10 years. So IMO saying "this > >>is solved in TLS 1.3" is not a good enough answer, if in the meantime we > >>will continue to see cross-protocol and cross-TLS-version attacks. > > > >If there are such attacks then they'll continue to be a problem for > >TLS 1.2 because only the Ed* schemes have the possibility of a context > >string. For ECDSA and RSA, the context still needs to be included in > >the signed message somehow. So TLS 1.2 needs a larger change than > >wiring up the context inputs of the Ed* schemes if you want to protect > >it anyway. > > Correct, but this would still eliminate cross-version attacks between TLS > 1.3 and TLS <= 1.2, for Ed*. In other words, there is (incremental) value in > adding context opportunistically. TLS 1.3 server/client signatures are designed to resist confusion to SSL 3.0 - TLS 1.2 signatures[1] anyway.. [1] There's the confusion possibility with RSA key exchange, but one really can't do much about that (other than banning all present RSA keys, but that would be infeasible).. -Ilari
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- Re: [Cfrg] Help with the use of contexts Paterson, Kenny
- Re: [Cfrg] Help with the use of contexts Adam Langley
- Re: [Cfrg] Help with the use of contexts D. J. Bernstein
- Re: [Cfrg] Help with the use of contexts Yaron Sheffer
- Re: [Cfrg] Help with the use of contexts Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Cfrg] Help with the use of contexts Watson Ladd
- Re: [Cfrg] Help with the use of contexts Yoav Nir
- Re: [Cfrg] Help with the use of contexts Adam Langley
- Re: [Cfrg] Help with the use of contexts Dan Brown
- Re: [Cfrg] Help with the use of contexts Yaron Sheffer
- Re: [Cfrg] Help with the use of contexts Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [Cfrg] Help with the use of contexts Yoav Nir
- Re: [Cfrg] Help with the use of contexts Watson Ladd
- Re: [Cfrg] Help with the use of contexts Yoav Nir
- Re: [Cfrg] Help with the use of contexts Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Cfrg] Help with the use of contexts Paterson, Kenny
- Re: [Cfrg] Help with the use of contexts Tibor Jager
- Re: [Cfrg] Help with the use of contexts Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [Cfrg] Help with the use of contexts Natanael
- Re: [Cfrg] Help with the use of contexts Tibor Jager
- Re: [Cfrg] Help with the use of contexts Ilari Liusvaara