[Cfrg] DANE in the IETF (was: Re: considering new topics for CFRG)

Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> Wed, 08 January 2014 19:22 UTC

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Subject: [Cfrg] DANE in the IETF (was: Re: considering new topics for CFRG)
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On Jan 8, 2014, at 10:15 AM, Igoe, Kevin M. <kmigoe@nsa.gov>; wrote:

> I'd like to see the CFRG investigate how far the DANE paradigm
> can be pushed w/o bringing the system to a screeching halt.
> For example, there is a group an NIST looking at the possibility
> of leveraging DANE for use with e-mail.

You mean like with draft-ietf-dane-smime and draft-ietf-dane-smtp-with-dane, both of which are already being discussed in the DANE WG? :-)

>  Who else is out there 
> hoping to piggy bank on DANE?  

And shouldn't those people tell the DANE folks about it?

> Can DANE be the new PKI?  If not,
> what features does it lack & can it be "patched"?

The discussion of "could DANE or something like it be a new PKI" could happen here, but folks wanting to do so should read the archives of the DANE WG.

Any communications medium that has cryptographic protection and proof of origin can be a new PKI, or it can be part of the delivery for the old PKI. Keys-over-DNS is nothing new, as is keys-over-TLS, keys-over-IPsec, keys-over-CMS, and so on.

--Paul Hoffman