Re: [Cfrg] Call for adoption draft-mattsson-cfrg-det-sigs-with-noise

"Riad S. Wahby" <> Wed, 13 May 2020 17:45 UTC

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Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 10:45:14 -0700
From: "Riad S. Wahby" <>
To: Rene Struik <>
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Rene Struik <> wrote:
> I would suggest another approach than John Mattson's, though, which is more fundamental and
> avoids hard-coding a specific mandated way of generating ephemeral private key altogether (after
> all, random number generators can be implemented in more than one way).

Said perhaps too glibly (apologies): random number generators can
be implemented in more than one way, and most of those ways are
bad. We've been running the "everyone do your own RNGs" experiment
for a few decades now and it seems like it's still failing.

CFRG should thoroughly vet an approach and mandate it. Folks who
really really want to do something else can still do so in a way
that preserves interoperability.

I'm in favor of adopting the draft, but concur with those calling
for a name change.

Just my 2μ¢,