Re: [Cfrg] Homomorphic Encryption Standardization – Side Meeting

Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Thu, 26 March 2020 18:23 UTC

Return-Path: <hallam@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: cfrg@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: cfrg@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFFD73A0A9F for <cfrg@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 11:23:02 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -3.111
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.111 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.463, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nMNiOeD1TXJA for <cfrg@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 11:23:01 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-oi1-f171.google.com (mail-oi1-f171.google.com [209.85.167.171]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C45D3A0AC0 for <cfrg@irtf.org>; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 11:23:01 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-oi1-f171.google.com with SMTP id t25so6430826oij.2 for <cfrg@irtf.org>; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 11:23:01 -0700 (PDT)
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=V9QDs3Gv/oAqCxdVX6yiDHW9PxuMPrYEodszWvwLMw8=; b=ShGovG6ues46LKm5zTtEqgUphGOtI+Q+PWlgxZ7x3acxUcWe2yHjSO7EMbf2mWvT/k AV+jbmx+X94T5hU8f9Ee0SCrPUxAr2BeMFKy8graiNy1YEbbkER25xBx6Qu88YZCgIYa BFSdhVqFmDF0qfiQSHRFDuas5cfAd600S5eXO8duzqmOdLzU44dHZVX9I1lQgzTy32BK +PUri6GdTf5ZCHE5h2atQa2GX6vHRY9Q8dRe5ZdT2IYNHXjaFgF7Tud6JQej/uSHphq7 Rq9XPN8iOKCob+QgqeFTBlwAdg9+c+KIWwBDA2KedV0KbaH9MxFXchsBKCd/fTAHFikV 69Rw==
X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ0DdPhuhIi78rza24F5F0T0Po1J5TGSJ7bBnMuA9fUXz3/L9Hnq pzF96so+aEQQJtewItcaCP/byO8segVsB7qI7Bk=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vv+obet1AV527UYgEEQaWbdXj9izOhAGn7u7kjr2DpJa8Gbs42DPwTK3gF76c2xlqSqjy51KSpg4wcqrFW2/iA=
X-Received: by 2002:aca:cd58:: with SMTP id d85mr1156194oig.173.1585246980470; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 11:23:00 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <94CED3F7-BEBF-4E1B-A6B6-F464742BFAD5@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <94CED3F7-BEBF-4E1B-A6B6-F464742BFAD5@gmail.com>
From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 14:22:49 -0400
Message-ID: <CAMm+Lwj4D=ixRh_vZqsKCC75pZz4i5JcXo8rJKK+ppdqg9Qj6w@mail.gmail.com>
To: Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: ietf <ietf@ietf.org>, "saag@ietf.org" <saag@ietf.org>, "cfrg@irtf.org" <cfrg@irtf.org>, Kim Laine <kim.laine@microsoft.com>, Dave Thaler <dthaler@microsoft.com>, standards@homomorphicencryption.org
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000026fb8d05a1c61328"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cfrg/QwhvMTNHNOUaXKqvx3wqjYBUYGU>
Subject: Re: [Cfrg] =?utf-8?q?Homomorphic_Encryption_Standardization_?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=93_Side_Meeting?=
X-BeenThere: cfrg@irtf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: Crypto Forum Research Group <cfrg.irtf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.irtf.org/mailman/options/cfrg>, <mailto:cfrg-request@irtf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/cfrg/>
List-Post: <mailto:cfrg@irtf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:cfrg-request@irtf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/cfrg>, <mailto:cfrg-request@irtf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 18:23:03 -0000

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 5:03 PM Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Apologies for cross-posting.
>
> Dear IETFers,
>
> We would like to introduce the work of the Homomorphic Encryption
> Standardization consortium [1] to the IETF and IRTF community, and solicit
> feedback about the next steps to standardize this encryption technology.
> This was originally intended as an IETF-107 side meeting, instead we will
> hold it as a virtual meeting the week after IETF-107.
>
> Date/time: Tue March 31, 10:00-11:00 PST, 13:00-14:00 EST, 17:00-18:00
> UTC, 20:00-21:00 IL.
>

I would like to see this brought into IRTF as soon as possible either as
part of CFRG or as a separate effort.

Right now the canon of commercial cryptography uses only the primitives
developed up to 1990 (hash chains). I am currently trying to persuade
people to make use of threshold cryptography techniques that were developed
in the mid 90s. We need to get out of the habit of waiting 25 years for new
cryptographic primitives to mature before we start looking at them.

We should stop asking 'does anyone need this' and instead ask 'is this
useful'.

The other reason for bringing it into IRTF is that we really do need a
clear IPR regime or else things can get ugly and efforts can stall.