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Re: [Cfrg] [secdir] Time to recharter CFRG as a working group? Was: Re: ISE seeks help with some crypto drafts

denis bider <denisbider.ietf@gmail.com> Mon, 18 March 2019 01:28 UTC

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From: denis bider <denisbider.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 20:28:24 -0500
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To: Uri Blumenthal <uri@mit.edu>
Cc: Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca>, CFRG <cfrg@irtf.org>, "RFC ISE (Adrian Farrel)" <rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org>, secdir <secdir@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] [secdir] Time to recharter CFRG as a working group? Was: Re: ISE seeks help with some crypto drafts
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With regard to shutting down - I think that policy is doing an incredible
disservice to the internet, to both developers and users of protocols.

The IETF needs the concept of permanent working groups and a bunch of
protocols need them.

The way it works right now is, a group forms around standardizing a
protocol, the RFCs are done and the group disbands. Just like that, an
entire community that formed around that protocol disappears. When people
want to introduce extensions, there's no longer anywhere to turn to. So
development of extensions happens haphazardly, without discussion, without
feedback, without coordination.

I think this policy (of shutting down WGs) is braindead, personally.
Working groups should shut down only for things that are actually dead. Not
when there's a temporary hiatus before the next version.


On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 7:11 AM Uri Blumenthal <uri@mit.edu> wrote:

> If CFRG is doing what a WG is supposed to - what's the product is supposed
> to produce, what are the milestones, and when is it supposed to wind down,
> as any normal WG should when it's done the job it was chartered for?
>
> Sent from my test iPhone
>
> > On Mar 17, 2019, at 05:25, Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>> On Mar 16, 2019, at 12:30, Paterson Kenneth <
> kenny.paterson@inf.ethz.ch> wrote:
> >>
> >> The rough consensus of those who joined the discussion is that we
> should leave the status of CFRG as it is for now.
> >
> > I wasn’t aware we were gathering consensus already and thought we were
> just having a discussion. So seeing this cut short all of a sudden with a
> tally seems wrong to me.
> >
> > So for consensus, I think that what CFRG is doing matches a WG more than
> an RG, and it would be more formally correct to change it.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
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