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Re: [Cfrg] publishing dragonfly (was: Re: 2^40. I can't exhibit it, but it exists.)

"Manger, James" <James.H.Manger@team.telstra.com> Wed, 05 February 2014 23:34 UTC

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From: "Manger, James" <James.H.Manger@team.telstra.com>
To: "Eggert, Lars" <lars@netapp.com>
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 10:34:45 +1100
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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] publishing dragonfly (was: Re: 2^40. I can't exhibit it, but it exists.)
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Watson,

Please keep up your very valuable contributions to this group. They far outweigh a few raw or impolite statements about previous failures and sloppiness in crypto.

Lars,

Instead of publicly warning a useful contributor, could you take a minimal stand against the sabotage of crypto standards by the NSA. I'm glad other IETF groups are trying to address pervasive surveillance with technical measures, but we also know: the NSA has sabotaged crypto standards; they have not told us which standards bodies or which specifications are affected; they haven't told us the nature of the sabotage. The NSA have tarnished a lot of work by our standards community on improving internet security. In this situation it is totally untenable for an NSA employee to chair this crypto standards group. Make it clear that an organization cannot both sabotage our work and have their employees openly participate in our civil community.

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James Manger

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cfrg [mailto:cfrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Eggert, Lars
> Sent: Thursday, 6 February 2014 1:36 AM
> To: David McGrew
> Cc: cfrg@irtf.org
> Subject: Re: [Cfrg] publishing dragonfly (was: Re: 2^40. I can't
> exhibit it, but it exists.)
> 
> On 2014-2-5, at 14:32, David McGrew <mcgrew@cisco.com> wrote:
> > This slap at Paul and Marvel is not OK.   Discussion on the list
> needs to stick to technical substance and be polite.
> 
> Agree with David.
> 
> Watson, RG participants have already asked me to suspend your posting
> rights per BCP38 due to repeated unprofessional statements on the list.
> I am monitoring this. Please consider yourself warned.
> 
> Lars Eggert
> IRTF Chair

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