Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as a RG document
Robert Ransom <rransom.8774@gmail.com> Tue, 20 January 2015 01:32 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as a RG document
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On 1/19/15, Ilari Liusvaara <ilari.liusvaara@elisanet.fi> wrote: > On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:32:57PM -0800, Robert Ransom wrote: >> >> * Curve3617 (also known as Curve41417) has cofactor 8, and is defined >> over a field of order congruent to 3 mod 4. Accordingly, the curve >> selection procedure in draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 will choose a >> different curve if applied to the field used for Curve3617. (This >> point was previously raised to CFRG in >> <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/cfrg/current/msg05788.html>.) >> >> The curve selection procedure specified in draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 >> will instead choose a curve with d > 2^19 (found by D. J. Bernstein >> (et al. ?), found again by Mike Hamburg, and found yet again and >> published recently by David Leon Gil), compared to d=3617 < 2^12 for >> Curve3617. The parameter value for the twist-secure curve with >> cofactor 4 is so much larger than the parameter value for cofactor 8 >> that the performance of at least one implementation strategy of some >> significance would be harmed by insisting on cofactor 4: current >> FPGAs contain 18-bit multipliers, and d > 2^19 almost guarantees a >> greater cost to multiply by the curve parameter. > > I got d=-142113 (#E<p) (d=142114 if one additionally requires #E>p) > > These numbers are 18-bit in absolute value. Thank you for the correction! (David Leon Gil had reported a curve in the isogeny class of a=1, d=-547072.) I've recomputed the trace of the curve with a=1, d=-142113 using GP, and it and its twist are indeed of order 4*prime. The prime-order subgroup of that curve has maximal multiplicative embedding degree (r-1), and its twist's subgroup has multiplicative embedding degree (r'-1)/4; the discriminant of its endomorphism ring is large; and the factorizations involved in verifying those are fairly easy. The parameter d=-142113 is still large enough to require more carrying after multiplication by the curve parameter in an implementation which uses 16-bit limbs and must reduce limbs to 16 bits each before multiplication. I'm not certain whether this would be the case for FPGA-based implementations, but it is still enough of a difference in parameter size that I would strongly prefer d=3617 for use with the point format specified in draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00. Robert Ransom
- [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as a RG… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Adam Langley
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Watson Ladd
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Tony Arcieri
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Blumenthal, Uri - 0558 - MITLL
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Adam Langley
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Ilari Liusvaara
- [Cfrg] (please make draft an IETF document first)… Rene Struik
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Paul Lambert
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … David Leon Gil
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Michael Hamburg
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Alyssa Rowan
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Dan Brown
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … David Gil
- Re: [Cfrg] (please make draft an IETF document fi… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Sean Turner
- Re: [Cfrg] (please make draft an IETF document fi… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Watson Ladd
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Andrey Jivsov
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Adam Langley
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Andrey Jivsov
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Watson Ladd
- [Cfrg] options (was: Re: Adoption of draft-agl-cf… Stephen Farrell
- [Cfrg] No longer talking about Adoption of draft-… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Joppe Bos
- Re: [Cfrg] options (was: Re: Adoption of draft-ag… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Cfrg] options Andrey Jivsov
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 point format (w… Alyssa Rowan
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 point format Andrey Jivsov
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Robert Ransom
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Robert Ransom
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Tony Arcieri
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Stephen Farrell
- [Cfrg] (technical flaws to be corrected in next v… Rene Struik
- Re: [Cfrg] (technical flaws to be corrected in ne… Adam Langley
- Re: [Cfrg] (technical flaws to be corrected in ne… Rene Struik
- Re: [Cfrg] (technical flaws to be corrected in ne… Adam Langley