Re: [Cfrg] Requesting removal of CFRG co-chair

"Dan Harkins" <dharkins@lounge.org> Fri, 27 December 2013 20:02 UTC

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From: "Dan Harkins" <dharkins@lounge.org>
To: "Yoav Nir" <ynir@checkpoint.com>
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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] Requesting removal of CFRG co-chair
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On Tue, December 24, 2013 1:51 pm, Yoav Nir wrote:
>
> On Dec 24, 2013, at 11:47 PM, Dan Harkins <dharkins@lounge.org>;
>  wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, December 24, 2013 12:34 pm, Henrick Hellström wrote:
>>> On 2013-12-24 21:09, Dan Harkins wrote:
>>>>   Realize too that had Kevin's employer not given these people the
>>>> opportunity to strike their fashionable pose there would be no
>>>> discussion
>>>> of IRTF process or what the CFRG's place in the world is. So this
>>>> really
>>>> isn't about IRTF process or the CFRG. It all comes back to the
>>>> conspiracy
>>>> theory, and the guilt-by-association, and the fallacious ad hominem
>>>
>>> Sorry, you lost me. Are you implying that everyone here except me is a
>>> US citizen, and that the purpose of this group is to promote the
>>> national interest of the USA?
>>
>>  No, absolutely not. I'm not implying anything of the sort. I'm not
>> quite sure how you came to that impression.
>
> But you are implying that we are all alive and free to discuss our
> opinions because the NSA is watching our backs and presumably foiling the
> murderous plans of the terrorists?

  Absolutely not! Again, I'm not sure how you got the impression I was
saying anything like that. I'm not sure what is causing those knees to
jerk so reflexively.

  In fact, I don't believe any murderous plans by terrorists have been
foiled by the the NSA's pervasive monitoring. And given that the NSA has
obviously not learned important lessons from the Kevin Mitnick affair
I'm not sure they are capable of safeguarding that data even if it was of
use in protecting us against murderous terrorists.

  Dan.