Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEAD?
Wasa Bee <wasabee18@gmail.com> Sun, 21 June 2020 18:24 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEAD?
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The holy-grail would be an AEAD that can be implemented with resistance against power/EM side channels for embedded systems. In addition, embedded systems sometimes have no prng - a symmetric key is embedded at manufacture time and all communication make use of a stream cipher with a counter as nonce. On 19/06/2020 14:48, Daniel Franke wrote: > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 3:13 PM Mihir Bellare <mihir@eng.ucsd.edu > <mailto:mihir@eng.ucsd.edu>> wrote: > > > With regard to requirements for the mode, I would suggest to also > consider adding nonce hiding. > > AEAD is understood as providing message privacy for any choices of > nonces, as long as they don't repeat. (Ignoring the nonce-misuse > aspect, which is orthogonal to what follows.) But, as pointed out in > [BNT19] <https://eprint.iacr.org/2019/624>, this isn't really true. > There are choices of non-repeating nonces that, if transmitted with > the ciphertext as necessary to allow decryption, compromise message > privacy. This does not contradict the AEAD definition, because the > syntax of the latter gives the decryptor the nonce and leaves the > implementer to ensure it gets there. Nonce hiding AE (which has a > modified syntax and security definition, as per the above paper) > fills this gap. > > This problem does not arise with random nonces. But the promise of > AEAD was to provide privacy with arbitrary nonces. A standard should > either do this fully (nonce hiding) or come with restrictions to > only use, say, random nonces. > > Nonce hiding is also of interest for anonymity and meta-data > privacy. With regular AEAD, nonces that are sequence numbers can (if > visible to the adversary) reveal information, as pointed out by > Bernstein > <https://groups.google.com/g/crypto-competitions/c/n5ECGwYr6Vk/m/bsEfPWqSAU4J> and > CHAE <https://chae.cr.yp.to/whitepaper.html>. This is prevented in > part by nonce hiding. > > > This was, indeed, quite the inconvenience when we were designing > Network Time Security. We had to mandate random nonces in order to > satisfy our privacy goals, and then we had to choose AES-SIV as the MTI > AEAD algorithm because random 12-byte nonces generated in response to > replayable requests lead to a non-negligible risk of collision. A > standard for nonce hiding would have been very useful to us. > > _______________________________________________ > Cfrg mailing list > Cfrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/cfrg >
- [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEAD? Stanislav V. Smyshlyaev
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… Thomas Peyrin
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… Thomas Peyrin
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… Mihir Bellare
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… Daniel Franke
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… Wasa Bee
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… Thomas Peyrin
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… Paul Grubbs
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… Yevgeniy Dodis
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… Mridul Nandi
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… Thomas Peyrin
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… Mihir Bellare
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… David McGrew (mcgrew)
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… David McGrew (mcgrew)
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… David McGrew (mcgrew)
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… Jim Schaad
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… Jim Schaad
- Re: [Cfrg] Do we need a selection contest for AEA… Michael StJohns