Re: [Cfrg] ISE seeks help with some crypto drafts

David Wong <davidwong.crypto@gmail.com> Fri, 08 March 2019 18:10 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] ISE seeks help with some crypto drafts
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Note that OCB was chose as a finalist in the CAESAR competition. Knowing that, it sounds like a good idea to standardize it.

On the other hand, if I understand correctly you need to pay a one-time fee to use the algorithm in a commercial product? I think that’s a big no-no considering we want everybody to use good open source libraries.

David

> On Mar 8, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Salz, Rich <rsalz@akamai.com> wrote:
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>    https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-krovetz-ocb-wideblock/
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> I would rather see this rewritten to completely replace 7523 (and include its test vectors of course)  Would review.
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>    https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-krovetz-rc6-rc5-vectors/
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> I don't see a compelling need for this, but I am not strongly opposed either.
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