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[CFRG] Re: Progressing NTRUPrime/Classic McEliece drafts

Kris Kwiatkowski <kris@amongbytes.com> Wed, 29 January 2025 11:30 UTC

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> i haven't seen anyone suggest that CFRG should not publish its own
> specifications regardless of what NIST does. That's certainly not
> my position. That would be an odd position to take as CFRG has
> already done this a number of times.

For primitives like LMS, XMSS, and HKDF, it was IETF that originally developed 
the specifications, with NIST later incorporating them into its standards.

+1 for CFRG focuses on defining primitives that are likely to be adopted by 
IETF, ensuring they are well-vetted before becoming part of widely used protocols.

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