[CFRG] Re: RGLC on draft-irtf-cfrg-opaque-13
Kevin Lewi <lewi.kevin.k@gmail.com> Wed, 29 May 2024 18:44 UTC
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From: Kevin Lewi <lewi.kevin.k@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 29 May 2024 11:44:01 -0700
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Subject: [CFRG] Re: RGLC on draft-irtf-cfrg-opaque-13
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The additional text on handling online guessing attacks motivated by Feng's suggestions has been incorporated into the draft. Thanks everyone for the feedback! Kevin On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 7:01 AM Christopher Patton <cpatton@cloudflare.com> wrote: > Chairs, > > I support adoption. I like Kevin's suggestion but I don't think it's > strictly needed. > > Chris P. > > On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 3:42 PM Watson Ladd <watsonbladd@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, May 28, 2024, 2:20 PM Hao, Feng >> <Feng.Hao=40warwick.ac.uk@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: >> > >> > Hi Kevin, >> > >> > >> > >> > Your description of the issue is accurate. Thanks for doing that. >> > >> > >> > >> > As you may be aware, any system that follows this default >> countermeasure will risk causing the Denial of Service attack to its own >> legitimate users. For most businesses, I’m fairly certain that’s >> unacceptable. >> >> Isn't this a property shared by all PAKE protocols or indeed any >> password based auth? >> >> Sincerely, >> Watson Ladd >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CFRG mailing list -- cfrg@irtf.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to cfrg-leave@irtf.org >> >
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