Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: time commitment to fix *production* security bugs for BLS RFC v4?
Thomas Dineen <tdineen@ix.netcom.com> Mon, 26 April 2021 20:37 UTC
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Subject: Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: time commitment to fix *production* security bugs for BLS RFC v4?
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Climate Change is a hoax, stop this nonsense, and get back to work. Thomas Dineen On 4/26/2021 1:23 PM, Mike Hamburg wrote: > Also, sorry for the double post, but according to > https://digiconomist.net/ethereum-energy-consumption > <https://digiconomist.net/ethereum-energy-consumption>, Bitcoin energy > consumption is up 37% year-on-year, and Ethereum is up by a factor of > 5 (!!!) year-on-year. Something that's ~1% of human electricity > consumption, and rising significantly year-on-year, is absolutely > something to be concerned about. > > There are claims that this will somehow help us soak up surplus solar > energy during the day, and be idle by night, but this is like > Ethereum-proof-of-stake from my POV: until it actually happens at > scale, I won’t trust it. > > Apologies again, > — Mike > > _______________________________________________ > CFRG mailing list > CFRG@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/cfrg
- [CFRG] Escalation: time commitment to fix *produc… Quan Thoi Minh Nguyen
- Re: [CFRG] Escalation: time commitment to fix *pr… Riad S. Wahby
- Re: [CFRG] Escalation: time commitment to fix *pr… Quan Thoi Minh Nguyen
- Re: [CFRG] Escalation: time commitment to fix *pr… Loup Vaillant-David
- Re: [CFRG] Escalation: time commitment to fix *pr… Salz, Rich
- Re: [CFRG] Escalation: time commitment to fix *pr… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [CFRG] Escalation: time commitment to fix *pr… Quan Thoi Minh Nguyen
- [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: time… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Daniel Franke
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Kyle Rose
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Michael Sierchio
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Michael Sierchio
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Kyle Rose
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Michael Sierchio
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Mike Hamburg
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Mike Hamburg
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Thomas Dineen
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Thomas Dineen
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Thomas Dineen
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … denis bider
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Eric Rescorla
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … denis bider
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Soatok Dreamseeker
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … denis bider
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Nick Sullivan
- Re: [CFRG] Escalation: time commitment to fix *pr… Jeff Burdges