Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: time commitment to fix *production* security bugs for BLS RFC v4?
Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Mon, 26 April 2021 23:36 UTC
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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 16:35:36 -0700
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Subject: Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: time commitment to fix *production* security bugs for BLS RFC v4?
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Denis, Phill, etc. Please take this discussion of this list. It is off-topic. -Ekr On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 4:19 PM denis bider <denisbider.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > > As a human being living on a planet threatened by environmental damage > from CO2 emissions > > This is probably false. You believe it because you've been bombarded by > messages about it from manipulated media. You spend your time focusing on > your own work. You are doing your work honestly, so you trust that other > people are doing honest work as well. > > This is not the case. The anthropogenic climate change narrative is most > likely false. The world is not warming and does not face harm from CO2 > emissions. > > Who are the people who want you to believe the climate change narrative? > > - The IPCC, which is an agency similar to WHO and has a similar amount of > credibility (this is: none). ClimateGate emails have shown the IPCC to be > driven by ideology and to use dishonest science in pursuit of their goals. > Despite claims that subsequent studies have vindicated the research, these > studies were as limited as possible and made minimal findings. > > - Mass media, which are basically run by intelligence agencies and have > consolidated into about 6 corporations. Their narratives are not driven for > clicks, they are driven for control. If you observed the mass media > reaction to 9/11 and the universal support of the subsequent Iraq invasion, > you may know this. If you observed the mass media reaction to the > fraudulent November 2020 election, you know this. If you observed the mass > media reaction to Covid-19, the universal support for lockdowns that > achieve nothing except bankrupt the middle class on purpose, pointless > masks that do nothing but engender obedience, and outright malicious > censorship of vaccine side effects - then you know this. > > If you do not know these things, then all I can tell you that Dan Kaminsky > died a few days ago after a Pfizer vaccination, which he got on purpose to > "encourage others to get vaccinated" in his tweet on March 22. The mass > media are reporting his death as from complications from diabetes, and > playing down any relationship to the vaccines. Dan Kaminsky joins other > notable deaths that coincidentally came after Covid vaccines, including > boxer Marvin Hagler, baseball legend Hank Aaron, Larry King, rapper DMX, > and thousands of everyday people. The vaccine deaths are common enough that > I know some of the dead myself. I still don't know anyone who died from > Covid. > > The mass media are lying to you, and this is not by accident, it is on > purpose. They are lying about the election, about Covid, about vaccines, > and about climate change. > > - China has signed up to the Paris agreement, but its obligations do not > start until 2030. Until then, it is free to build coal power plants, which > it does with gusto. As far as China is concerned, "climate change" is a > great way to get the West to completely tank its manufacturing, so that we > can be dependent on China for all production. This allows them to take over > the West without firing a shot, a coup which they have almost completed in > Australia, Canada, Europe and now also the US. > > - There is a globalist elite that rules the Western world. We have now > seen conclusively that they control most corporations, media and government > agencies, have done so for decades, and they're not elected. These people > have more in common ideologically with China than they do with classical > liberal principles of the West. With the advent of the internet and social > media, their control over the narrative has slipped, and they must now rule > openly. The US constitution is being thrown away and the people are being > indoctrinated to accept more of a Chinese style of rule. > > Climate change is helpful here because it leads people to believe that > there is this worldwide crisis that must be solved, so if we empower the > globalists, we sacrifice "some" liberties but it's for the benefit of > saving the world. > > There is in fact no such climate catastrophe. There hasn't been since > 1989, when the UN predicted that "whole nations will be wiped out" if > radical measures aren't taken by the year 2000. > > That was 21 years ago, and still the world hasn't warmed. > > If you want to educate yourself on this, you'll need a few hours. > > I recommend this very entertaining lecture by Malaysian scientist Willie > Soon: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zrejG-WI3U&t=221s > > Judith Curry: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4AAN0H8MRg > > Christopher Monckton: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGqcweY1a3I > > ClimateGate emails - 10 years after (PDF): > > https://www.rossmckitrick.com/uploads/4/8/0/8/4808045/climategate.10yearsafter.pdf > > ClimateGate emails (PDF): > > http://www.lavoisier.com.au/articles/greenhouse-science/climate-change/climategate-emails.pdf > > If you believe in climate change, it is your civic duty to educate > yourself, because this is the overarching narrative that is pushing is into > a worldwide dystopia based on the Chinese model. > > Our work means nothing, our lives mean nothing if the world is allowed to > unfold like this. > > denis > > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 12:29 PM Phillip Hallam-Baker < > phill@hallambaker.com> wrote: > >> As a human being living on a planet threatened by environmental damage >> from CO2 emissions, I am strongly opposed to any IETF work to support any >> form of purported 'cryptocurrency' that relies on any form of 'proof of >> work' or 'proof of waste'. >> >> The electricity requirements of cryptocurrencies have been larger than >> that of entire countries. This is an experiment that it is time to stop. >> >> I am entirely serious in this position. >> >> >> Besides the environmental issues, there is the fact that the >> crypto-currency community has consistently failed to establish any >> effective means of preventing the endemic frauds in their systems. >> Fraudulent exchanges regularly steal money from their customers. >> Applications developed by individuals with minimal expertise are used for >> transfers of vast quantities of fictional cash with no effective oversight >> and this results in further frauds. >> >> The cryptocurrency community has a long history of misrepresenting the >> engagement of parties with established reputations as endorsing their >> 'product'. And this presents real risk to the IETF when the least >> objectionable use of the product in question is to evade currency controls. >> Cryptocurrency became popular as a means of paying for illegal drugs and >> has since become the enabler for ransomware. >> >> The cryptocurrency world has no shortage of people who will trash anyone >> criticizing their activities as 'stupid', 'uninformed', 'need to do some >> research'. Fine, let them sort their own messes out. >> >> IETF should take no action that risks a headline 'IETF endorses >> cryptocurrency'. If the ransomware, child abuse and Ponzi scheme industries >> have a problem as a result of a bad technology decision, we should not lift >> a finger to save them. >> >> >> The only conversations I want to have on cryptocurrencies is with >> government regulators looking for ways to regulate these criminal >> facilitation enterprises out of existence as they previously did with >> eGold, Gold Age and BTC's very long line of predecessors which like BTC >> were entirely different but completely the same. >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 10:57 AM Salz, Rich <rsalz= >> 40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: >> >>> > There may be one way: holding implementers accountable. >>> >>> > They relied on a draft. As such, they took a gamble. Now they lost >>> that >>> gamble, and gambling ethics dictates that they pay up. >>> >>> Yes. Strongly agree that this is the best approach. This is a *DRAFT* >>> It would be like implementing Rijndael and then complaining that it has >>> bugs and isn't AES. >>> >>> Contact the people who developed and put things into production. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CFRG mailing list >>> CFRG@irtf.org >>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/cfrg >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> CFRG mailing list >> CFRG@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/cfrg >> > _______________________________________________ > CFRG mailing list > CFRG@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/cfrg >
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- Re: [CFRG] Escalation: time commitment to fix *pr… Salz, Rich
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- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Kyle Rose
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Michael Sierchio
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Michael Sierchio
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Kyle Rose
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Michael Sierchio
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Mike Hamburg
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Mike Hamburg
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Thomas Dineen
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Thomas Dineen
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Thomas Dineen
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … denis bider
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Eric Rescorla
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … denis bider
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … Soatok Dreamseeker
- Re: [CFRG] Bitcoin delenda est. Was: Escalation: … denis bider
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