Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG

Paul Lambert <paul@marvell.com> Thu, 23 January 2014 18:37 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG
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Hi Kevin,

On 1/22/14, 9:29 AM, "Igoe, Kevin M." <kmigoe@nsa.gov>; wrote:

>If we were to put "key centric" on the CFRG agenda for IETF-89, do we
>have a speaker willing to give a presentation?
Thank you for your interest in the topic. I would be very willing and
interested in presenting on Œkey centric¹, however for the first time
in many years the IETF is occurring the same week as the Wi-Fi
Alliance Š so I¹m not available that week.

>If this is too short of a
>deadline to meet, we can always have a presentation at a later meeting?
Yes.  That would work well.

Paul

>
>Three options: 
>	1) discuss at nest meeting
>	2) discuss in the near future but not at the next meeting
>	3) no support for a presentation in the near future. Maybe sometime
>later.
>	4) Utter silence on the mailing list.
>
>As to #4, the Germans have a saying "Keine Antwort ist auch eine Antwort"
>(no is answer is also an answer).
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cfrg [mailto:cfrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of dan@geer.org
>> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:10 PM
>> To: Paul Lambert
>> Cc: Sean Turner; David McGrew; cfrg@irtf.org
>> Subject: Re: [Cfrg] considering new topics for CFRG
>> 
>> 
>>  > A useful mechanism, but it would be better to start with reexamining
>> and  > redefining our usage of public keys.  Specifically - I'm an
>> advocate of  > keys as the primary identifiers.  A "key centric"
>> approach is a dual model
>>  > to Kohnfelder/X.509   The SDSI/SPKI work did progress work in this
>>  > direction, but failed for a variety of reasons.
>> 
>> Key-centric versus name-centric identity is The Question, is it not?
>> 
>> I rather doubt that the Administration's push for the NSTIC is likely
>> to settle in on key-centricity, but might you elaborate on your
>> preference for it?  I'm sympathetic to it on the grounds that it
>> directly enables multi-personna and, thus, data segmentation.
>> 
>> If I'm being obtuse, feel free to say so.
>> 
>> --dan
>> 
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