[CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid-kems-12 and draft-irtf-cfrg-concrete-hybrid-kems-04
Muhammad Usama Sardar <muhammad_usama.sardar@tu-dresden.de> Sun, 12 July 2026 19:54 UTC
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Subject: [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid-kems-12 and draft-irtf-cfrg-concrete-hybrid-kems-04
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Hi D. J. Bernstein, On 12.07.26 20:22, D. J. Bernstein wrote: > Muhammad Usama Sardar writes: >> If there was no such CVE in the last decade after that, doesn't >> that indicate that it was just a random one-time implementation bug? > Let me emphasize > the engineering perspective. > > https://blog.cr.yp.to/20191024-eddsa.html Again, without going into detail, please note that you are pointing me to a seven-years old reference. I am interested in knowing the state-of-the-art. > says that "the Minerva team is > claiming to break ECDSA in 4 or possibly 5 out of 13 crypto libraries > supporting ECDSA, and EdDSA in 0 out of 9 crypto libraries supporting > EdDSA. The unstated assumption here seems to be that the number of broken implementations is representative of the quality of algorithm. Is it a good criteria? Say I like algorithm A and don't like algorithm B. What if I put out several naive/intentionally broken implementations of B to show that it is bad and we should use the algorithm A? > The question of whether software will end up vulnerable involves some > effects that we can control in the cryptosystem design and some random > effects. Can you share some examples of these random effects? > Is bug discovery slower for closed-source projects? In general, yes, simply because most likely not enough people have looked at it, tested it, and formally verified it. > Or for projects > that aren't as well known? Again, in general, yes, because of the same reason. > Prefer smaller code. This seems too vague: smaller number of lines of code? smaller memory consumption? smaller runtime? Could you please explain and justify this? Best, -Usama
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- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Thom Wiggers
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Russ Housley
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Richard Barnes
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Richard Barnes
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Russ Housley
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Russ Housley
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… D. J. Bernstein
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… D. J. Bernstein
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Ilari Liusvaara
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… D. J. Bernstein
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Simon Josefsson
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Soatok Dreamseeker
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Richard Barnes
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Soatok Dreamseeker
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… D. J. Bernstein
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Soatok Dreamseeker
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… D. J. Bernstein
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… D. J. Bernstein
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Simon Josefsson
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Richard Barnes
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… D. J. Bernstein
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Martin Schanzenbach
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… D. J. Bernstein
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… D. J. Bernstein
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… D. J. Bernstein
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Peter Gutmann
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Salz, Rich
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Peter Gutmann
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Ilari Liusvaara
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Neil Madden
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… John Mattsson
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Ilari Liusvaara
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Wang Guilin
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Neil Madden
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… D. J. Bernstein
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Deirdre Connolly
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Wang Guilin
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Deirdre Connolly
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Deirdre Connolly
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Deirdre Connolly
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Deirdre Connolly
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Daniel Van Geest
- [CFRG] Re: RG Last Call on draft-irtf-cfrg-hybrid… Rohan Mahy
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