[CFRG] Re: Random-access authenticated encryption (raAE) draft
Nick Sullivan <nicholas.sullivan@gmail.com> Wed, 15 July 2026 14:33 UTC
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Hi John, I'm encouraged by your enthusiasm. There was a risk that this document would be misinterpreted as *just another segmented encryption scheme*, rather than what it really is: a new basic interface for symmetric cryptography. The inspiration for this framing goes to the FLOE authors, I'm just extending their work and filling in some gaps. I'll look into finding a slot for a side meeting. Best, Nick On Wed, Jul 15, 2026 at 2:50 PM John Mattsson <john.mattsson@ericsson.com> wrote: > I would personally be fine with an IETF–CFRG split. > > Will raAE and SEAL be discussed anywhere in Vienna (CFRG, DISPATCH, > Hackathon, side-meeting, etc.)? I think they should be. > > Standardizing raAE and defining interoperable formats for its use would be > one of the most useful ideas I have seen in a long time. I believe such a > specification would see broad adoption across a wide range of protocols and > applications. > > Cheers, > John Preuß Mattsson > > *From: *Nick Sullivan <nicholas.sullivan@gmail.com> > *Date: *Wednesday, 15 July 2026 at 15:06 > *To: *Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>; cfrg@irtf.org <cfrg@irtf.org> > *Cc: *draft-ietf-moq-secure-objects@ietf.org < > draft-ietf-moq-secure-objects@ietf.org>; > draft-ietf-openpgp-crypto-refresh@ietf.org < > draft-ietf-openpgp-crypto-refresh@ietf.org> > *Subject: *[CFRG] Re: Random-access authenticated encryption (raAE) draft > > Hi Martin, > > Following up on your point that this belongs in the IETF. After some > reflection, I propose a pressure test: run raAE and SEAL through the > two-lane model in draft-sullivan-crypto-publication ( > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sullivan-crypto-publication/) the > pattern generalized from the HPKE WG. SEAL sits at the same abstraction > layer as HPKE, so it could be a good test of the model. > > The two lanes: > > engineering lane (IETF) | research lane (CFRG) > | > MLS (attachments) | > file encryption (TBD) | > MoQ (?) OpenPGP (?) | > | | > v | > SEAL <------------------> raAE > concrete raAE | abstract primitive > via dispatch | analogous to AEAD > > > Consumers pool their requirements into SEAL, the engineering piece, which > goes to dispatch to find its IETF home. raAE stays in CFRG as the security > foundation for SEAL: the abstract definition, requirements, and security > reductions for random-access authenticated encryption, building on > validated public research. The file encryption John suggested in this > thread could become its own working group or land in an existing one, with > SEAL under the hood. > > There are concrete benefits over current designs for the potential > consumers marked with a question mark: > - MoQ adopted an SFrame-based scheme for end-to-end objects in March > (draft-ietf-moq-secure-objects). It encrypts a whole object in one AEAD > call, and the draft notes that a large object must arrive in full before > any validation can start. A SEAL payload validates segment by segment as > bytes arrive, and a reader can verify one segment of a cached object > without reading the rest. > - OpenPGP verifies a signature only after decrypting and hashing the > entire message. A SEIPD v3 built on SEAL would sign the one snapshot value, > so a reader verifies a signature over any part of a message without reading > the rest. raAE also helps with editing. > > I've cc'd the authors of both in case there's interest. There are also > opportunities to consolidate other designs under the raAE primitive > interface, even if SEAL is not the exact raAE chosen. > > What do you think? > > Best, > Nick > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2026 at 10:06 AM Nick Sullivan < > nicholas.sullivan@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Martin, > > I’m not sure I fully agree. Something like SEAL-simple or SEAL-attachment > is probably pure engineering, but it seems like it would be useful to have > a comprehensive research-adjacent document like this to lean on for > analysis. > > Nick > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2026 at 9:01 AM Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net> wrote: > > Hi Nick, > > I'm going to suggest a DISPATCH outcome for this, which does not involve > CFRG. I think that this is pure engineering and the IETF should be the > place to take it up. The usual requirements apply, of course: we need to > see the receipts on customers for the mechanism, etc... > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2026, at 00:54, Nick Sullivan wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Writing as an author, not a chair. I've been working on a draft I want > > to share with the group. This is not a call for adoption, just sharing > > the early draft in case there's interest. Comments and reviews welcome. > > > > *The **problem*. Applications dealing with large encrypted objects > > (encrypted backups, encrypted archives, object stores) need to read any > > part of the object without decrypting the whole thing. They also need > > to verify that each part read belongs to the current object at its > > claimed position, without processing the entire object. Mutable > > objects, like encrypted file formats, encrypted disk images, and object > > stores that accept partial updates, also need in-place modification of > > any part without re-encrypting the whole. The positional and inclusion > > proofs should also remain valid after each modification. Take an > > encrypted database file or an encrypted disk image: any block is read > > or written by index, and a reader wants to know that the block it reads > > really belongs at the offset it came from in the current image, without > > re-hashing every block on every write. No proven security notion in the > > literature covers all of this under one primitive. As such, each > > application ends up rolling its own segmented AE layer, mostly without > > security proofs for the rewrite and whole-object cases. > > > > Prior work covers pieces of the problem. CHAIN (Hoang, Reyhanitabar, > > Rogaway, Vizár 2015) is sequential. STREAM (same paper) supports > > random-access decryption of individual segments and encodes a > > final-segment bit for truncation detection, but has no whole-object > > snapshot and no in-place rewrite. Its deployed relatives (Tink > > Streaming AEAD, OpenPGP v2 SEIPD) are write-once streaming formats and > > don't expose rewrite at all. The v2 SEIPD design is itself the outcome > > of Efail (Poddebniak et al., USENIX 2018), where v1's whole-message > > integrity failed and applications acted on unauthenticated plaintext. > > FLOE (Fábrega, Len, Ristenpart, Rubin; ePrint 2025/2275) formalizes > > random-access AEAD security cleanly and gives a proven construction. > > This work builds on that formal foundation. > > > > I've posted draft-sullivan-cfrg-raae-02, "Random-Access Authenticated > > Encryption." It covers the primitive, the security notions, the prior > > constructions in the space, and a concrete family of instantiations > > with test vectors called SEAL (Segmented Encryption and Authentication > > Layer), as well as a security analysis (companion paper forthcoming) > > and write/rewrite budgets. > > > > The draft has two layers. raAE is the abstract primitive: the base > > interface and security notions come from Fábrega et al., which this > > document extends. SEAL is one concrete construction of raAE, > > parameterized by an AEAD, a KDF, and an epoch length. It has two > > profiles (immutable and mutable) and an optional snapshot authenticator > > that binds the whole segment set and updates cheaply on rewrite. A > > protocol that would previously have signed the whole encrypted object > > can sign the snapshot authenticator instead and get the same > > authentication scope without touching the segments. The snapshot > > authenticator is also not a single construction, different > > authenticators fit different consuming-protocol contexts. For example, > > settings that supply only a single CEKs and owner per object versus > > settings with a shared CEK (as in MLS) necessitate different > > authenticators. > > > > Freshness against whole-object rollback, storage transactions, and key > > management are explicitly out of scope. Those belong in a consuming > > protocol. > > > > The shortest path to a concrete, testable thing is to read > > SEAL-simple(AES-256-GCM, HKDF-SHA-256) in Appendix E > > < > https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-sullivan-cfrg-raae-02.html#name-seal-simple-implementation- > >, > > which is the degenerate case for SEAL with no rewrites or snapshot > > authentication and fixed legacy AEAD/KDF. > > > > Reviews and comments on the framing, the security notions, the > > construction, or the scope are all useful. > > > > Draft: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-sullivan-cfrg-raae-02.html > > > > Best, > > Nick > > _______________________________________________ > > CFRG mailing list -- cfrg@irtf.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to cfrg-leave@irtf.org > > _______________________________________________ > CFRG mailing list -- cfrg@irtf.org > To unsubscribe send an email to cfrg-leave@irtf.org > >
- [CFRG] Random-access authenticated encryption (ra… Nick Sullivan
- [CFRG] Re: Random-access authenticated encryption… Martin Thomson
- [CFRG] Re: Random-access authenticated encryption… John Mattsson
- [CFRG] Re: Random-access authenticated encryption… Ilari Liusvaara
- [CFRG] Re: Random-access authenticated encryption… Jack Grigg
- [CFRG] Re: Random-access authenticated encryption… Nick Sullivan
- [CFRG] Re: Random-access authenticated encryption… John Mattsson
- [CFRG] Re: Random-access authenticated encryption… Nico Williams
- [CFRG] Re: Random-access authenticated encryption… Nick Sullivan
- [CFRG] Re: Random-access authenticated encryption… Nick Sullivan
- [CFRG] Re: Random-access authenticated encryption… John Mattsson
- [CFRG] Re: Random-access authenticated encryption… Nick Sullivan
- [CFRG] Re: Random-access authenticated encryption… Martin Thomson
- [CFRG] Re: Random-access authenticated encryption… Nick Sullivan
- [CFRG] Re: Random-access authenticated encryption… Dmitry Belyavsky
- [CFRG] Re: Random-access authenticated encryption… Nick Sullivan
- [CFRG] Re: Random-access authenticated encryption… Tushar Patel
- [CFRG] Re: Random-access authenticated encryption… Nick Sullivan
- [CFRG] Re: Random-access authenticated encryption… Wang Guilin
- [CFRG] Re: Random-access authenticated encryption… Nick Sullivan
- [CFRG] Re: Random-access authenticated encryption… Wang Guilin
- [CFRG] Re: Random-access authenticated encryption… Nico Williams
- [CFRG] Re: Random-access authenticated encryption… Mark Xue