IETF Logo Mail Archive

[CFRG] Re: Request for adoption: Signature modes guidance / draft-harvey-cfrg-mtl-mode-03

Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> Mon, 05 August 2024 16:02 UTC

Return-Path: <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: cfrg@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: cfrg@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D029C15109F for <cfrg@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 5 Aug 2024 09:02:39 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -7.105
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.105 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pjfZFpDe3X37 for <cfrg@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 5 Aug 2024 09:02:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-lf1-x135.google.com (mail-lf1-x135.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::135]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D3A4C14F5F9 for <cfrg@irtf.org>; Mon, 5 Aug 2024 09:02:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-lf1-x135.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-52f01993090so14749309e87.2 for <cfrg@irtf.org>; Mon, 05 Aug 2024 09:02:35 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1722873753; x=1723478553; darn=irtf.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=/yEUww1nSjYVRXXPUk7sGKmwQxPbG8xssgpH1Ov53Ls=; b=Hc4KT057uvY1OdMFeR4bIIzmDJMCyRRV6zrRqBX03SbmqL4J+zqJcGVjKmIB3wGxSO GXIgzfa5ykoy5dDHDYXAQhhMOFjzMZXj3XSYJIg8rpMPLzBZcN1FihW9cPRFMtcFH9Ed mYl8IOild8/HD5qnw8LoIcbTz8ajkOb7ODiY7UW8CthkC7gU1zQwBI0Bmr4KM+pJ+GLP b62b7f8p+BzLoRcdEZtxskg7pU1BE90qaz5wx4ZhBTl2TVQ80tT9v0xUYYPJdP53o558 abBozsZoqDQV6jgvqYZYEcBFqQ1WiY9at4L3nQG4F8iHD8hvQ2F9rjR/qXlzEVzDIezN ph+g==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1722873753; x=1723478553; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=/yEUww1nSjYVRXXPUk7sGKmwQxPbG8xssgpH1Ov53Ls=; b=GAj1vkfwI5rLSoYRLRgFz6iOQEVqIdU6wvdyGDWn4+AaZxnamtPw3v7LAMs6/PWHp/ WQrJ3tg28n2R+Q3UW+dQPXDUuNXcvhs4OXhO2attF9ql/RJJrlQt+CkdUDz5/MURhw/o kGfYecJu0WiTy64lNyla503yEAZFjHPBNVe7uKcUfRaMMN6lZFW8by3D5cGe6EIDAzp+ /6qwKm5iVDx2CaOGQmjy/Z5PhYKDeTED6gDeJIvHil8Mi/d4MTIvfTDk1W7fVEefATS7 pvvguzVHn1FgndGHsZFBV7Bh3IC/Vn1MewNtwRhSFR7khBZfqnuSSBa6yhpRj6Oatp8Y RJDA==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwBC9DuT3YLzpNEww7deTh3rdUYkDeDEuQfh6cH/c8BbFNwC+a5 2Tp2ER0Ct1cwLTDWgMFWWcudnf6P4G5sh95lU+XDWv4wwfac+sIi4OTElPr4nQ3bLwNdprJoXLV njjrdGZ5OG4B4DinlUZOrrFWIZoiCq4lH
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEH98GaUvfcYCq9wGCE0q2YsR70eMqxvtHHKdbF7m7rj7FKjIRLGMCKHJqdiv0Zp/+ai9NjPR9jQgZ2yJF/Sn4=
X-Received: by 2002:ac2:4e0d:0:b0:52c:dba6:b4cb with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-530bb36e46amr8359537e87.13.1722873752953; Mon, 05 Aug 2024 09:02:32 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <43f8434f68c144f38b4a4a3933841899@verisign.com> <20240805142920.238962.qmail@cr.yp.to> <CAL02cgRXAiQq50GkMV+cdM1YBGibKAbUdy5pzErLwdRPkfFyCQ@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAL02cgRXAiQq50GkMV+cdM1YBGibKAbUdy5pzErLwdRPkfFyCQ@mail.gmail.com>
From: Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2024 12:01:55 -0400
Message-ID: <CAHbuEH6YQc0VVtYVt4SMRffaNZK8N_g+3dSMFgjYysWFodXsDw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000009ae3c061ef1ce34"
Message-ID-Hash: TOIA5CZHNAUIMDV6EYDC63FUMIQP2FKS
X-Message-ID-Hash: TOIA5CZHNAUIMDV6EYDC63FUMIQP2FKS
X-MailFrom: kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com
X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-cfrg.irtf.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header
CC: cfrg@irtf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.9rc4
Precedence: list
Subject: [CFRG] Re: Request for adoption: Signature modes guidance / draft-harvey-cfrg-mtl-mode-03
List-Id: Crypto Forum Research Group <cfrg.irtf.org>
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cfrg/f8RB6SKxoLADLGbP0SVGjoS9Wpg>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/cfrg>
List-Help: <mailto:cfrg-request@irtf.org?subject=help>
List-Owner: <mailto:cfrg-owner@irtf.org>
List-Post: <mailto:cfrg@irtf.org>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:cfrg-join@irtf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:cfrg-leave@irtf.org>

On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 11:23 AM Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx> wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 10:30 AM D. J. Bernstein <djb@cr.yp.to> wrote:
>
>> Kaliski, Burt writes:
>> > * Verisign announced a public, royalty-free license to certain
>> > intellectual property related to draft-harvey-cfrg-mtl-mode-03.  IPR
>> > declarations 6174-6176 [11] give the official language.
>>
>> I don't think most companies will find this license adequate: the
>> license terminates in case of subsequent litigation, and is only for
>> whatever is _required_ by an RFC.
>>
>
> We shouldn't go too far down this, since this isn't an IPR discussion
> list, but the limitations you note are very common in IETF / IRTF IPR
> disclosures.  See, e.g.:
>
> * Cisco's disclosure on draft-irtf-icnrg-icn-lte-4g = RFC 9269:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/5616/
> * Google's disclosure on draft-irtf-cfrg-rsa-blind-signatures = RFC 9474:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/4754/
>
> I agree with Richard to not go down the path. This was discussed in
context of Cisco's (and others) at the WG chairs lunch as common
declarations by legal advisors.


>
> _______________________________________________
> CFRG mailing list -- cfrg@irtf.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to cfrg-leave@irtf.org
>


-- 

Best regards,
Kathleen

v2.26.15 | Report a Bug | By Email | System Status