Re: [Cfrg] [secdir] Time to recharter CFRG as a working group? Was: Re: ISE seeks help with some crypto drafts

Uri Blumenthal <uri@mit.edu> Mon, 18 March 2019 03:00 UTC

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From: Uri Blumenthal <uri@mit.edu>
To: Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com>
CC: denis bider <denisbider.ietf@gmail.com>, CFRG <cfrg@irtf.org>, "RFC ISE (Adrian Farrel)" <rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org>, secdir <secdir@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] [secdir] Time to recharter CFRG as a working group? Was: Re: ISE seeks help with some crypto drafts
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+1 to Melinda.

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> On Mar 17, 2019, at 21:53, Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 3/17/19 5:28 PM, denis bider wrote:
>> When
>> people want to introduce extensions, there's no longer anywhere to turn
>> to. So development of extensions happens haphazardly, without
>> discussion, without feedback, without coordination.
> 
> That's actually not what happens - new work on old
> protocols has to go through the chartering process, which
> is, in practice, more rigorous than rechartering and tends,
> in my experience, to produce more focused results.  The
> IETF produces a pretty good number of -bis documents and
> extensions through the working group process.  (Currently
> we've got groups like lamps, curdle, kitten, and so on
> updating old standards.)
> 
> At any rate, I'd like to see CFRG remain where it is, in
> part because of structural reasons but mostly because it's
> been productive and useful and it's not clear that there's
> any practical advantage to changing it to an IETF working
> group, while there are several clear disadvantages (I think
> that potentially removing incentives for participation by
> academics is a huge deal, myself).
> 
> Melinda
> 
> -- 
> Melinda Shore
> melinda.shore@gmail.com
> 
> Software longa, hardware brevis