Re: [CFRG] OCB does not have an OID specified, that is a general problem

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Mon, 07 June 2021 13:46 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>, IETF SAAG <saag@ietf.org>, IRTF CFRG <cfrg@irtf.org>
Thread-Topic: [CFRG] OCB does not have an OID specified, that is a general problem
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  *   rfc7253 specifies OCB mode. But there is no OID specified to use OCB with CMS, nor are there identifiers for use with JOSE.

For this particular case, a request to the IANA expert will get an OID.  (He’s a co-chair of LAMPS :)


  *   I would like to propose that in future assignment of relevant OIDs and JOSE identifiers be considered a requirement for similar work. If a spec for a symmetric mode isn't sufficiently specified to enable interoperable implementation in CMS and JOSE, it is not sufficiently specified to be an RFC.

That’s a reasonable thing to ask for, and something that could be caught by SECDIR or AD review.