Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as a RG document
Watson Ladd <watsonbladd@gmail.com> Mon, 05 January 2015 20:23 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as a RG document
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On Jan 5, 2015 3:02 PM, "Adam Langley" <agl@imperialviolet.org> wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Alexey Melnikov > <alexey.melnikov@isode.com> wrote: > > whether you want a particular change be made to the > > document before adoption. > > The structure of the current draft anticipates an additional curve and > also signature work so I'd like to point out a couple of changes to > save others having to do so: > > 1) If no other curves end up being recommended, then the current > generation process is overly complicated and could well be replaced > with a description that mirrors how curve25519 was actually chosen: > i.e. that the minimal sensible A value in Montgomery form be chosen. > It really depends on how important a generic procedure is seen to be. Minimal Montgomery is as generic as minimal Edwards unless I am missing something. > > 2) The procedure for generating base points is currently unused and, > if change (1) is done, it could be tweaked to reflect how the > curve25519 base point was generated. > > 3) If we don't end up saying anything about signatures, all mention of > Edwards curves could conceivably be dropped. > > Not to mention that several sections should be greatly expanded upon, > clarified etc. I think such changes can be considered as a given. Were above made, I believe said draft would be largely identical to the version of draft Turner in github, which has added a description of the generation proceedure. I support adoption of either one. > > > To contrast, if you desire changes like "a different curve should be > recommended" then I think that translates to not supporting adoption. > > > Cheers > > AGL > > -- > Adam Langley agl@imperialviolet.org https://www.imperialviolet.org > > _______________________________________________ > Cfrg mailing list > Cfrg@irtf.org > http://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/cfrg
- [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as a RG… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Adam Langley
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Watson Ladd
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Tony Arcieri
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Blumenthal, Uri - 0558 - MITLL
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Adam Langley
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Ilari Liusvaara
- [Cfrg] (please make draft an IETF document first)… Rene Struik
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Paul Lambert
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … David Leon Gil
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Michael Hamburg
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Alyssa Rowan
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Dan Brown
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … David Gil
- Re: [Cfrg] (please make draft an IETF document fi… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Sean Turner
- Re: [Cfrg] (please make draft an IETF document fi… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Watson Ladd
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Andrey Jivsov
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Adam Langley
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Andrey Jivsov
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Watson Ladd
- [Cfrg] options (was: Re: Adoption of draft-agl-cf… Stephen Farrell
- [Cfrg] No longer talking about Adoption of draft-… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Joppe Bos
- Re: [Cfrg] options (was: Re: Adoption of draft-ag… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Cfrg] options Andrey Jivsov
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 point format (w… Alyssa Rowan
- Re: [Cfrg] draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 point format Andrey Jivsov
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Robert Ransom
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Robert Ransom
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Tony Arcieri
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Cfrg] Adoption of draft-agl-cfrgcurve-00 as … Stephen Farrell
- [Cfrg] (technical flaws to be corrected in next v… Rene Struik
- Re: [Cfrg] (technical flaws to be corrected in ne… Adam Langley
- Re: [Cfrg] (technical flaws to be corrected in ne… Rene Struik
- Re: [Cfrg] (technical flaws to be corrected in ne… Adam Langley