Re: [CFRG] OCB does not have an OID specified, that is a general problem
Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Sat, 12 June 2021 03:52 UTC
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Subject: Re: [CFRG] OCB does not have an OID specified, that is a general problem
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On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 6:00 AM Neil Madden <neil.e.madden@gmail.com> wrote: > On 8 Jun 2021, at 17:36, Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> > wrote: > > > > Not at all. My point is that the purpose of a registry is limited to > assigning a signifier to one or more signified. It is not for IANA to > specify that RSA is required or not, that is a WG decision. > > > And yet that is exactly what is recorded in the IANA JOSE registry. I > appreciate that you’d like things to be different, but that’s not the > reality today. A WG established the IANA registry and set up the procedures > by which alterations to it are made, as described in RFC 7518 that > established the registry (p34): > Yes, like I said. It was a mistake. There is no need to compound it. > And merely assigning a code point does not change the recommendations for > implementing algorithms in a 'JOSE Library'. > > It absolutely does in this case. > Only because there is a column giving the recommendation status. My point is that is a mistake. By your own admission the Mesh is doing something entirely non-standard > with JOSE anyway, so you are also free to also adopt OCB as a non-standard > algorithm. > It will become the standard if people use it. Which is precisely the point: Code point registrations are properties of algorithms, not one particular protocol that might use them. There should never have been a JOSE algorithm registry in the first place, it should have been a registry of algorithms that JOSE was merely the first consumer of. I remember when the IANA Content Type Registry was the MIME Type. If MIME had made recommendations for supported types, should those have been binding on the Web?
- [CFRG] OCB does not have an OID specified, that i… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [CFRG] OCB does not have an OID specified, th… Salz, Rich
- Re: [CFRG] OCB does not have an OID specified, th… Roman Danyliw
- Re: [CFRG] OCB does not have an OID specified, th… Neil Madden
- Re: [CFRG] OCB does not have an OID specified, th… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [CFRG] OCB does not have an OID specified, th… Richard Outerbridge
- Re: [CFRG] [saag] OCB does not have an OID specif… Russ Housley
- Re: [CFRG] OCB does not have an OID specified, th… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [CFRG] OCB does not have an OID specified, th… Neil Madden
- Re: [CFRG] OCB does not have an OID specified, th… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- [CFRG] CFRG does standards and that is a general … Michael StJohns
- Re: [CFRG] CFRG does standards and that is a gene… Colin Perkins
- Re: [CFRG] OCB does not have an OID specified, th… Neil Madden
- Re: [CFRG] CFRG does standards and that is a gene… Michael StJohns
- Re: [CFRG] OCB does not have an OID specified, th… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [CFRG] CFRG does standards and that is a gene… Colin Perkins