IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: [CFRG] Kyber 'interactive key agreement'?

Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek@digicert.com> Fri, 05 August 2022 15:18 UTC

Return-Path: <tim.hollebeek@digicert.com>
X-Original-To: cfrg@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: cfrg@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE81C159528 for <cfrg@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 5 Aug 2022 08:18:03 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.689
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.689 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.582, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=digicert.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gTM8C2VsCs_K for <cfrg@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 5 Aug 2022 08:17:59 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from NAM10-BN7-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn7nam10on2116.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.107.92.116]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2538C1594AE for <cfrg@irtf.org>; Fri, 5 Aug 2022 08:17:59 -0700 (PDT)
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=gq7cWVCyYODkqIs8QogbJb3cr1U0JGQ7colOgSgeBdxWKYy9SvS0pnOiB1yRSOoJXn7+T8myo69RY3CQfq/xeZ7ea5q0jR/mBhWvu5B6E1QrImKTIXfF/4bEJEw4+8GXGLN6ozc5aMRip/dBkRijiZGd3wIyMtqcCYznN/noZ9TK+VtsJi1e/zLMKvgy1JIxbwtAbE2HLU0LjuvGeM52xDWEHwx7FxZ0TURCdtArKDUzk41L4FaDkAgeU2VaAjQ+HUWZS0emGrnBhNTGUOULQDr+wuRuCxBK/RiFHfEXRKlcwIZ/xRHjiC7Qeu8pm25zGuvGRCsjAE9+oBj/QBqamQ==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-1; bh=EkU3RzSxHk4DXZYNZbxSSvhHs0JBG8SaxTPP6eazyag=; b=WuH2aM7xni2fbXfuyLZgsEtS0gLzGBCuL1DiS2WVt6YGM2tEorI6PXENjXLx7oONlQlu5ShU4zCH1T+QMs+eobPG0vFSeej7mzfcrnn2V6xwpi9lk45WzbLXrz5wd6Cy913eYv7kS7qAC9MYT72PrnuYi4jOEjGOV/eW+NeQ5pI0miT/QHCtiGCjTRrSJSxza+mlFjaPV9QmSKfMu+dmUov6p5tnKM+15Tg5J7DfWmTMEf9ojPtB3ugBJdrXeCfRbQnS7jJBo3oRPsxQt8o0e0yMyL+FtY9MbHeL+AQfAAyWEJ5ILq23S5ci7bLPHbjnjLN5eQwF5zWQ/zCbTsEmLg==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=digicert.com; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=digicert.com; dkim=pass header.d=digicert.com; arc=none
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=digicert.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=EkU3RzSxHk4DXZYNZbxSSvhHs0JBG8SaxTPP6eazyag=; b=H+VWhUVVofJmf3Q3s92v4hAKPJ07/cKqMX263935bQihb7JmA6xTf1073gVaJb0HJ1kS2fzbvBU6/IwXLIpj492kbOkfh9XPYR/ELy/Mlc353ByJTNzeeQKH4kHj1SeeVojajKO13pH0YOA+jrX8wgCqDIrQ/NfjUkxJU6q0wGKx47sjqdyLyAa2IoGvyB5aTB4ehK6B7eeBePnI49vsznS3roG6lyShQKF3mBh3U5bJceeu3XUMeMNQNHjwdAPV6cdiAJqavBgJrgfa0n5QdA7lPkk6To4LA8je8iGHufiaS5/JLh4Ic+pkkV3wMbo9VmaHaVc2m9FpCRfo9V5Dng==
Received: from DM8PR14MB5237.namprd14.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:8:24::23) by DM6PR14MB4074.namprd14.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:5:215::20) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.5504.14; Fri, 5 Aug 2022 15:17:55 +0000
Received: from DM8PR14MB5237.namprd14.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::39e9:c1ac:9c11:b5dd]) by DM8PR14MB5237.namprd14.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::39e9:c1ac:9c11:b5dd%8]) with mapi id 15.20.5504.016; Fri, 5 Aug 2022 15:17:55 +0000
From: Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek@digicert.com>
To: Ilari Liusvaara <ilariliusvaara@welho.com>, IRTF CFRG <cfrg@irtf.org>
Thread-Topic: [CFRG] Kyber 'interactive key agreement'?
Thread-Index: AQHYppjBSjXg7ytFbki87CDIgNZshq2b5YuAgAAftQCAAu7JAIAAJB+AgAAZEoCAABmBAIAAslqAgABywEA=
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2022 15:17:55 +0000
Message-ID: <DM8PR14MB5237DBFFED7AE81E619612F8839E9@DM8PR14MB5237.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAMm+LwiGXMUwTiM=7OSTj47F=qxsaXqOqXEvcGedKo1cKAXadA@mail.gmail.com> <5CD18980-6C52-4CCA-8EF0-F7C45D1CB0F1@getmailspring.com> <CAMm+LwjfWGWR2StRtQGbahcyq+L+CGHdmsu7ZVHO8PyCnepDFg@mail.gmail.com> <950A7700-0514-416A-A0BC-43C9CB85628B@ll.mit.edu> <YuzUV9OyBUhlFTwt@LK-Perkele-VII2.locald>
In-Reply-To: <YuzUV9OyBUhlFTwt@LK-Perkele-VII2.locald>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
authentication-results: dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;dmarc=none action=none header.from=digicert.com;
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: f681b3e8-4543-4c92-a302-08da76f5ac4c
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: DM6PR14MB4074:EE_
x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1
x-ms-exchange-antispam-relay: 0
x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;
x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 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
x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:DM8PR14MB5237.namprd14.prod.outlook.com; PTR:; CAT:NONE; SFS:(13230016)(39850400004)(376002)(366004)(346002)(136003)(396003)(5660300002)(478600001)(316002)(110136005)(26005)(86362001)(38070700005)(7696005)(9686003)(6506007)(4744005)(44832011)(52536014)(8936002)(53546011)(33656002)(122000001)(2906002)(41300700001)(66476007)(76116006)(66556008)(55016003)(8676002)(66946007)(64756008)(71200400001)(66446008)(186003)(83380400001)(38100700002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102;
x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-chunkcount: 1
x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-0: uBfYAIFmCAaFblegNcrBIsuX7LFJQDEtx17H4KgYKyjlXlmTpgazlj0sK+zkHJB8xUQG39U8c2a7LYR575RY0pAf/I1SxW+3/xGeuOc79jExfMDlfh3cHDIjSHEA/MYaj1MsQ2CUWvosVxrryHg9mEaAIPyxBFAP9lsdmoFGniviyGTi4Sel5mGm0vOIm8cOdCTNU/aypneCNuuaD73YyFvEeGDPymjM4VG55o+RL4HelNp01aQpo/4JczWJbqMpyoOZ8IsJd08syvJvqdm8meG6WJ68dmDLzhVHUZbvmW+88zhLn6a2jGvnKSEQOTBZAR3DATxBABxRvWFLO574oyBFluunw7Pg2jNaOlUoY+zEoV467jJDk1kpddd6NV6s0aYqU+NKLhFT/aKK9C6uecruBPnQhn2WkKOxciO1TMgWGyihJXeJiFkYDYtDUAzoUg2lpvBrlgYoFK+7w04eWh3MFNTGqPdir2TFaV9ooS39/jJ5hiM0nC9Bk/NxvbLXtG8+XkYlkZLdeGBJAcKVjSqHgWPNP4Iy8J24BBZ5jrdq9Lt9pxkCE8shPjxhtpNOBd6nvUBnoIPwmqSCgsV0vViwMvDMqiiLYfHbxQlSBrpjysQWkZsIgJsk8oeDF7u/3pwa/4j4Gy+K7fNRoNoMBC0xX6vJwk+DAh2R3SebRoAf0tbCKEo38cvwQkT8/Ka20WiWP/iaMPnVVfQFP180z+gqWHi7L/u98Mha7YVXEzY+3VgWRHeG07A1LLu2LZin3SgGBPUAXLRHJO6SokbDcePUf6jZhr/7Laht4X6VHKxl5fQRC7sgDerefT5B2pgWOhx03JxrM7aL/6SFq+N6O8Xw8hd1xsl+kyg593oKP71TO2kPAFWtg2TAtjPGCZUNAn96GAs+70l5/67x+S/6FaN54faDPurr6R7LwGiVxjreG8oDTiD1DdT74T7cmVoSu+4vzMjC7TnrfMOlBiYvWWToP5jzBQ8pAvszc0/JVsImUvS7EbKgv85XyDqXpWHFvmlo5GrrjFjjJjTIkG3TnpgGRAtrWKEa3+TuBE9ukI5qDlanw0f7S9cu7r4tj/RRYKGl6xnBK3MNktuZdRtWQOe0gp/rAUvAEbmWK70ihlCG5VxgtkwFb0OhX1s2HtaRpCO+ahEq92x5ZxH9h242Qu/q9yq51X2AHP2bnP1nODMIcHkJCaPtEzMnd2f3fBug33/ZubIea/c/RfLlpYDj8CArJ8YGNhUwkDPfHWOmyTyCQkSKSoF1vII7NAMnbcvHaV/SWtJxZTaft158MEzTXZvGrMWz6nRHkOvqrE1dq85KvtznwJ/ymMp/ivAhpiPw1SpxHMJhJBAMCS5xtbTYsX8P32uYdgSYafPS80IYPVJfU5YmVZ6u6JSLgNKbBxCAx5DL04QSxIzazxpY4Wtnmkf0AuqZ+XMdSonSsYF+BR5WnIA0t9w6ZBuuhuG3CCoJilek1Jvr9nKGTtznzY9TxtvZpxC80dJOsfu5M9S0bptPKLik2fygwdHaPWH5xiZBNHTpoqYQIl2ZhTRY/kTfPeFozn1hnyiw3s5IkJ6REeJ/AOuCAW91DNKIU78ScsfsGKqA5RJgS+UC86txZanKbg==
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-OriginatorOrg: digicert.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: DM8PR14MB5237.namprd14.prod.outlook.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: f681b3e8-4543-4c92-a302-08da76f5ac4c
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 05 Aug 2022 15:17:55.5490 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: cf813fa1-bde5-4e75-9479-f6aaa8b1f284
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: N6P4qXMebSF8H5CokzH77jneaCQMFYCu6ADVd8yHekMBuvDVTn4s3TpcaQdJuwebkkmx9/zdGwnXlb4xfH/XsmO4HJpg/ktsdkVYjE+VUlM=
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM6PR14MB4074
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cfrg/YP_FSy5QirWDpjbjwQOE8ptbcAo>
Subject: Re: [CFRG] Kyber 'interactive key agreement'?
X-BeenThere: cfrg@irtf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39
Precedence: list
List-Id: Crypto Forum Research Group <cfrg.irtf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.irtf.org/mailman/options/cfrg>, <mailto:cfrg-request@irtf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/cfrg/>
List-Post: <mailto:cfrg@irtf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:cfrg-request@irtf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/cfrg>, <mailto:cfrg-request@irtf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2022 15:18:03 -0000


> -----Original Message-----
> From: CFRG <cfrg-bounces@irtf.org> On Behalf Of Ilari Liusvaara
> Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 4:27 AM
> To: IRTF CFRG <cfrg@irtf.org>
> Subject: Re: [CFRG] Kyber 'interactive key agreement'?
> 
> On Thu, Aug 04, 2022 at 09:48:42PM +0000, Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
> wrote:
> > I’m not sure I fully understand this discussion, but let me jump in.
> > ;-)
> >
> > IMHO, for the “protocol engineers” there’s nothing to understand about
> > the NIST PQC algorithms, except that
> 
> I wonder if there should be "Post-Quantum Cryptography for Engineers"
> or some similar document. :-)

Someone please write this.

-Tim

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email